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Disclaimer: The following story and the characters in it are purely fictional. Hi, I am Danny from Tirupati. I am going to narrate a fictional incest story between two cousins. The main character of the story is, “Latha.” I will narrate the story as Latha. My name is Latha. I was married to a fit guy who was very interested in sex and broad-minded. Ours was a love marriage. After the marriage, we moved to Hyderabad for a living and settled very well and had a baby girl who was 2 years old...
IncestHello ISS readers, here I am with another story, this time the sexstory is about a girl Riya & her cousin brother Pankaj, this story is a true story as narrated by Riya to me, so I am writing this story on behalf of her, the whole story is her narration of her words, you can get in touch with her on, but don’t forget to cc it to me on , the story follows in riya’s words. Hello, I am riya, thanks to my friend to write this story for me in my words, this story is about me 26 now & my cousin...
IncestI slid the report into the proper file just as he walked into the room. Dennis Butz stood there wearing his three-piece suit, looking as handsome and charming as any man could. But I was not to be tamed by his charm. "Hello, Linda," he said with a friendly grin. "Judge Herns isn't in today," I replied back in a frosty tone. "I'm not here to see her." "My plane leaves in less then an hour Dennis, what do you want?" I slammed the file drawer shut and walked past him to my desk...
Hi, this is Nikki. I am 25years old girl with stats 32-26-36 and I am going to share my real sex experience and how I was seduced by my sweet Cousin Brother and had touched the heaven and treasure of sexual happiness. This is my real sex story. I am actually from Telangana state. I am married a year back and presently staying in the USA with my husband. It started with my cousin brother who is 33 years old and around 2 months back when one day my sweet brother started sending messages to me by...
IncestHi, Ram again with another incident! This happened a few months ago. I was in Bangalore attending a meeting and my phone rang. It was Buddi; my aunt’s married step-daughter whom I had fucked (). I ignored it. Later, when my meeting got over, I checked my phone. My cousin sister had left a message saying, “Can we talk?” I rang her phone and she disconnected the call. So I left a message saying, “Sorry! Was in a meeting. What is this about?” It was 2 pm and I received a call from my cousin...
Hi I m Rajeev now I m 32 yrs this incident happened when i was 22 yrs around 10 yrs back. my cousin his name is Abhishekh he was 32 yrs straight married n with a kid but I was crazy after him n i just loved him he is gym toned fair smooth n very good looking n he does not know that I m gay. One day my parents had gone out for a weekend n did not go out with them as i was having my exams n he had come to my place for a stay over as his wife had gone out to her mother’s place for delivery. As we...
Gay MaleI started searching the Internet for stories and hazards of incest and while doing so I came across this indian sex stories site having multiple stories about sexual encounters. At first it was sickening to see people plainly write their sexual conquests and victories for others to read and jerk off to. But over time I started seeing the liberation it can provide for me who wants to share my story of taboo relationship between me and my elder cousin brother as it is hard for me not to talk to...
IncestIntroduction: Kevins cousin Brandy stays with him and discovers his fetishes for smoking and latex. She has always been interested in him so she indulges in his interests. Brandy had always had a strong attraction to her cousin Kevin. They grew up together and grew accustomed to being around each other constantly. It got to the point where both were comfortable enough to change in front of each other. In her mind, she had always hoped it would lead to something happening. Brandy knew incest was...
My 20 year old second cousin Mandy stayed with us over the summer for two weeks. We used to spend a lot of time together when we were younger, because I baby-sat for her a lot. I'm ten years older than her. Her parents moved to upstate New York a few years ago so we hadn't seen much of each other recently. Mandy just finished her first year in college and she asked my husband and I if she could come and vacation here at the shore for a while. I was only too pleased because I'm home all summer...
Hi everyone! I am Priya from Mumbai and this is cliche to say this, but I will say it anyway. I love ISS! It’s so awesome how everyone can come together in a small community and share their most intimate private thoughts experiences. We don’t belong to a high-upper class family, but we are an above-average family. My father is in banking and my mother is a doctor. Let me introduce ourselves: I am 18 years old with a very fair complexion but I keep myself tanned(it wears off though), My body...
IncestWaking up the following morning I felt a lot of regret knowing that my cousin saw me jerking off while watching her fuck my best bud. I wasn’t really sure what to do, if she was still here in his room. The entire night before I could not get Hailey out of my mind as I continued to fantasize about her and me not Bob fooling around together. There was always sexual tension between the two of us but because we were cousins never really acted on it. We played truth or dare and spin the bottle...
Hi guys, I became a regular reader of this site because of my brother when I saw him reading this site. You can say I am new to this site regarding submitting a story but not new to reading different stories. Now coming to me, I am girl from A.P from a big city.My name is Rani and i have a brother who is elder to me 1 year. I have an elder cousin brother who is 2 years elder to me and very much horny.I am 18 years of age and I have nice sizes of 34 28 36. I am submitting this story as I can’t...
IncestCharacters in this story: Me, Riten, 25 years today, fair, cute and handsome told to me by many girls. Zyada patla aur mota bhi nahi. Cousin Khushi: 32 years today, wheatish skin, 34-28-36, cute for fucking. Mene 10 saalo me bahot sex kiya, apni cousin behenso se, school ke friends ke saath, apne area ki ladkiyon ke saath, mere area me bahot ladkiyaan PG rehti hai, kahi ladkiyon ko maine bathroom ki khidki se nahate dekha. Unko apne BFs se sex karte dekha, par kabhi story likne ka mann na tha...
Hello my dear sex story lovers and I believe reading a sex story is more arousing than watching xxx movie. This is very exciting to write my own story again. Let me not bore you with my philosophies of life. Hi, I am Kalyan Karthik from Hyderabad but born and brought up in Vizag. I am 24 years old whitish white in color and 6 feet tall and go to Talwalkers 3 times a week. I am software professional and working in Infosys, Mysore campus. This story is about my Girlfriend who is a Biotechnology...
Sandy left to see her father with Randy stuck behind due to an illness that his mom determined was just a stomach bug. He’d be ok in a few days but would have to stay at home as it could be the Norovirus, very contagious, but usually not serious unless you were the one that had it. Then you felt like it’s the worst thing ever. But a couple days in, Randy was settled enough that he could sleep. His mom stayed close, taking care of him. Since she had no job at the moment and they had the...
Hi guys thank you for your early story response . Mera name akshay hai mai mumbai say hu . Ye new story jo recently 1 month phele k he hai .Meri cousin sis jo abhi 12 pass huvi hai meri ghar aye thi rehene k liye phele bar . Meri cousin ka name hai bharavi uske size 28 30 28 hai rang gora hai aur thodi alia jaise lagti hai . Toh bina time waste kiye story par atta hu jaise app ko bola woh ghar aye the rehne k liye 2 din sab normal tha par 3 day meri mummy boli k ja k siko bike par beach par...
Hey readers, this is Atul again from Mumbai. This is my second story in ISS. However, I am now ardent fan of this site and a daily visitor. Here I am narrating my first experience with my cousin brother, with whom I have lost my virginity. We have a very big family and have a big house at our native place. This story is about 15 years back. At the moment I am 33 years old. That was the time when along with my grandmother and one of my younger cousin brother, I went to my native place to assist...
Gay MaleIt was the summer of 2005, a hot one in Louisiana . Brandy’s parents were going on a trip to Europe to celebrate their anniversary. She’d be staying with her Aunt Karen, which she didn’t mind, knowing that Kevin would be there. When she arrived, she was a little surprised to see that it was just Aunt Karen in the house. “Where’s Kevin at?” “Oh, he’s at work right now, first day. He should be home shortly after 5. I have to get going in a few minutes, but you’ll be okay,...
This goes back several years when me and my cousin always visited over summers with our Grandma. I lived in town but her and her sister are from a big city several hours away. Well this summer in particular my cousin Cassie came on her own to Grandma’s and without her sister Sandy. Cassie was about 5’9 about 210 lbs very thick but definitely a BBW with very creamy soft skin. There was always a giant beautiful smile present, with light brown hair half way down her back. She had a really pretty,...
It was after one o'clock in the morning and everyone in the house was upstairs sleeping, all except my beautiful cousin Mandy who was now waiting for me in the silence of her room. The guestroom was the only bedroom on the lower floor of my house; we would be totally undisturbed.As I approached her door I thought back over the events of the day. It had started with a shameful display of uncontrolable lust on my part this morning, rolling around Mandy's bed with her panties pressed to my face....
Hi readers, as you know I wrote about my sexual relationship with the cousin brother in my earlier posts though by mistake I wrote Part 1 in both. I’ll provide links to the previous stories and you can catch up if you want. Please leave me your feedbacks about my experience and if you also have practiced incest or are still practicing it please comment and help me understand if what happened between me and my cousin brother is right or not. Well any way lets continue…. So after that day when we...
IncestHello everyone, I am Jay from Chennai. I thoroughly enjoy reading true gay experiences of people on this site. Today, I submit to readers one such personal experience which happened a few years back. Summer of 2009 I was in my final semester of my engineering. I was a very good at academics and was one of the top rankers in my college. I had already landed a job through campus placement and I was enjoying a carefree life. I had also completed my final year project, so I used to attend college...
Gay MaleMy experience in Mandy's bedroom was at the same time one of the most sensual things and one of the most frightening things that has ever happened to me. I hadn't been this aroused in a long time and yet I felt so goddamned guilty. This was my cousin, my flesh and blood, the little girl I used to baby-sit. But she wasn't little anymore, that was the problem. She had grown up into a beautiful college girl, so sexy, and she was living in my house for the past week and her every movement was...
One weekend evening I decided to go out onto my grandparents enclosed back porch. It had been added onto the house at some point. My grandparents had one of the big chest freezers on the back porch. It was located under the bathroom window which would have looked outside before the porch was added on. For some reason unbeknownst to me, I decided to climb up on the freezer and look into the bathroom window. I looked in and saw my cousin Debbie taking a bath. I had never seen anyone naked...
Randi's Vacation Randi woke up to his alarm and quickly silenced it. A quick glance to his left confirmed the Denise was already up. She almost always got up before him preferring some extra time between getting ready for work and needing to walk out the door. He preferred to have enough time to get ready, eat and go. He walked to the bathroom which was right in the master bedroom. The condo they bought was a bit extravagant but provided plenty of room and they could afford it on...
Hi All, I am Akshay Ganna 36 years old with an athletic body structure standing 6 feet tall. Lot of girls ogle me and show hidden desires, so I use it to the maximum of my advantage. I hope you have read the first 4 parts of “My Brother’s Bride” where I had some great sexual encounters with Bhavana, 22 year old who was going to be my cousin brother Vinay’s wife now and living in Pune. The previous story of this part “My Brother’s Bride’s Cousin Sister – Part 01” in which Bhavana’s cousin sister...
Hum dono abhi bhi nange hi thay. Chalte chalte usne paad maari. Uski gaand mein abhi bhi haddi akti hui thi. Nadi kinare, jhadiyon ke bich usko bithaya. “Hug le saali madarchod. Kab se paad rahi jai bhosdiki.” Woh hugne lagi. Uski gaand se haddi nikal gayi. Uski garam moot ki dhaar mere pairo pe giri. “Saali maderjaat! Mere pairon pe mootegi. Saali raand muh khol,” main uske muh mein mootne laga. Lavda uske gale mein ghus kar mootne laga. Maine apni tange faila di aur wahi khade khade hugne...
Hello readers, the story continues as narrated by Riya who is my good friend, I am writing it on behalf of her. After a good oral session between Riya and Pankaj, they both decided to stop and keep this as a secret in their hearts. Pankaj got a job in Bangalore while Riya completed her studies in Delhi. Both were in regular touch on chat and often on call too. They used to have some hot sessions when they had a safe chance. Time flew and it was after 4 years they had a chance to meet again....
IncestHey Guys and Girls, I am Raj and I am from Mumbai and 18 year old.Ye story meri real sister name Nidhi and cousin brother Viraj age 21 ke bich ki hai Nidhi meri sis ki age 21 hai and maa kassaam she is really hot agar aap dekhlo 100% muth maroge ghar jake ushke boobs 32 kama 28 and ass 34 i think To ye kahani around 7 months pehle ki hai tab mera cousin bro viraj hamare ghar pe aaya hua tha 3 week ke liye because ushke parents out of country gaye hue the to vo hamare ghar ruka tha vese me...
Hi All,When i was 18 my parents had to go out of station for 3 days so they asked my cousin brother to stay with me. That day I went to college and came back home my brother also came back from work and we had dinner and sat before the TV then I sat on the sofa and my brother was sitting on the floor I was wearing only shirt and short skirt and my brother was wearing only shorts because it was summer and after seeing some songs in the TV my brother went and brought some beer from the fridge...
IncestHii dosto, mera naam drashti hai aur main gujrat se hu…..Meri age 19 saal ki hai …..Muze sex stories padhna bahut aacha lagta hai aur isi vajah se muze apni ek real story likhne ka man hua aur ye meri pahli story he……So mistakes maaf karna….. Ye bat 1 saal pehle ki hai jab me 18 saal ki thi mera vacation chal rha tha to me aur meri mom mere mama k yaha vacation manane ko aaye the…..Vaha mera ek cousin brother hai vo muzse umra me sirf 2 saal hi chota hai…Par wo dikhne me ekdam ladki jaisa hai...
hey everyone!! this is a real story about my gay sex with my cousin brother and this is the induction for my gay life.Its my true life story. I think i am 17 yrs and my cousin brother is 13 yrs and his name is nagul. We never know and had any intention of sex at that age. We used to stay in our grandparents home sometime in weekends. So on a fine day we two stayed in our grandparents home and we used to sleep together most of the time. The day was a lovely rainy day and it is heavily raining...
Gay MaleMera naam Rudra hai. Ek number ka harami aur besharam. Mera dimaag mere lavde mein hai, jo saala har waqt chudai ke liye uchalte rehta hai. Kasarati badan jo ghanto tak lavde ka saath deta hai. Waise toh bachpan se hi kaafi chudai ki hai. Lekin yeh wali sabse achi wali, ya yeh kahu ki sab se gandi wali hai. Main tab 30 saal ka tha. Shaadi hui nahi thi. Ghar mein rehta hi nahi tha. Naukri hi aisi thi ke sheher-sheher gaon-gaon bhatakna padta tha. Peshe se ek civil engineer, jiski degree paiso se...
The is of a boy named Aryan. He is in his 20’s and lives in a rented flat to facilitate easy travel to college and part time work. The first chapter to his adult adventure begins when he completed his engineering second year and was on vacation. He was busy with the part time work so he visited his parents only for a day. He returned to his flat and got busy with work and other stuff. One fine day, he got a call from his cousin sister named Tanisha, who was married and had not seen him for a...
IncestHi, this story continues after my previous one I posted. I also wanted to ask if anyone else has a similar sexual experience with their cousin brother to help me understand if what happened between me and him was a mistake. Any way , he made love to me for little over 15 minutes, and came outside after I insisted. We lay on the bed all sweaty , as there was no electricity that day , and thus no fan to cool our desires. His hand was over my thigh and I started to sob. Hearing me he said “Its ok...
IncestAs I was looking over my assignments there were various appointments that were all within driving distance from my uncle’s home. I became so excited that I called my uncle to let him know about the good news. Hailey met me at the airport by herself, which gave us some time to get ourselves acquainted again. It took about an hour to get back to her house. By the time we got there we were already making out in the car. After several hours of catching up and dinner I finally turned in. I was...
Andrea Standing (part 2 of Andrea's Stand) A note at the beginning. One of the problems with writing a serial story is that the author feels a need to recap what happened in the prior portions. Please go back and read part 1, "Andrew Running". It will make this a better story. Briefly Andrew at 19, abused by his father, runs away to a distant relative, Aunt Clara. Andrew goes along with a joke played by Clara's lover Marnie, and ends up as Andrea working in Marnie's luxury used car...
Cousin Sandy I had forgotten about my new DVD camcorder that Mom and Dad had bought me for my birthday a few days ago. I really wanted to show it to my cousin. We hadn’t gotten too far away so Sandy and I went back to my house and up to my bedroom. Sandy’s parents were visiting my parents and they had sent us out to play. They just wanted to get rid of us for awhile. Dad even gave me money to buy Sandy something to eat at the local Burger King. We hadn’t tried to be quiet, that’s...
Hello everyone, this is Vipin and it is the second part of the incident on my adventures with my mallu cousin sister. I seduced my slutty cousin and the story continues. Alice was making out with me and suddenly, her mother called her from downstairs. I stopped fingering my cousin’s asshole and she moved out of bed. We were not able to finish each other off and was really sad about it. She responded to her mother. “I will come down now. Vipin is in the washroom and I was looking for my old book...
IncestHi All, This Rohini, I do not like to post my sizes over here but I am a beautiful young lady about 21 years old…. This story is about how I had sex with my cousin brother who is 22 years and had an average figure and is tall enough about 6 foot with a decent penis size and is amazing in seducing any girl on this earth…I would say I had the best experience ever when I had sex with him…. I used to stay with my parents in Coimbatore and my brother Manoj who is my father’s brother’s son since his...
IncestHello! Saifullah again :) with new story of my sister…This story is about my cousin sis & me Please read my previous 2 stories for my sister’s intro! Waise mai bata du wo katrina jaisi dikhti hai kuch mai kai baar apni behan ko chod chuka hoon uski gand bhi mari hai kai baar To hamesha ki tarah hum raat ko nange so rahe the… Mujhe neend nahi a rahi thi isliye maine alia ko jagaya aur kaha mujhe neend nahi aa rhi hai… Alia : thik hai mere boobs chuste hue so jao… Me : lekin mera lund khada ho...
This story moves from there to my home, where my cousin Mintu had reached for a two day and a night stay with his aunt.As MIntu left, I staggered out of bed and locked the door and staggered back to bed to rest a little more. After two nights of heavy duty sex, I could do with repairing my wares. Besides I remembered what Mintu said while leaving, "I am leaving for your home. You better come over by evening. When you are there, I plan to fuck you in your home on the roof top tonight. Don't say...
Hello friends amit here from mohali.. Ye meri 1st story hai.. He pehle me apne bare me thoda bta du meri age 22 he height 5’8. Body average & me engg krta hu.. To know me more email me on Ye meri & meri cousin sister (sonal) ki story hai.. Uski age 21 hai & wo bhi engg krti hai.. Uski body kaafi attractive hai 30-28-32 & wo chandigarh me rehti hai..Ye baat aaj se 2 saa pehle ke he me apne taya g ke ghar summer holidays pr gya tha after semester exams. Us time use bhi holidays the. Me unke ghar...
Hello all, my name is Vipin and this is gonna be a story about a real-life incident that happened to me and my cousin sister during the covid lockdown days. This is my first story on this platform, it will be a bit lengthy, but it will be worth it. Let me describe myself, I am a 22-year-old typical Malayali boy with an average body, 5 ft 7 in height and a charming personality along with a 6-inch monster under my hood. So, coming to my story. My village is situated along the hilly areas of...
IncestHi…Mera naam ashu hai (not real name) mai jammu mai rehta hun aur meri height 5feet 6″ hai aur handsome hun hamary ghar mai hum 2 brothers and mum dad hai…Mai iss ka bohat purana reader hun infact 12th class se hi mai iss ki stories padhta aaya hun..Maine m.A complete kiya hai aur aaj b stories padhta hun…..So aapko zyda bore na karty kuay mai story pay aata hun…. Ye baat tab ki hai jab mera 1st year ka exam khatm hua tha aur mera result first class first tha mai bohat khush tha mere saray...
I returned to the flat I was sharing with my cousin Rajat and Rashmi. I am Geeta a 22 year old pg student in pune. I belonged to Satara and my father had sent me to Pune to study with my cousins . Rajat who was the oldest among us was 26 and working as a software engg in a MNC company. Rajat was a very good looking man and he was always very popular with girls. I was about to find out more about his sex life today. I entered using my own key and noticed that Rajat’s bedroom was ajar with some...
IncestThere was a 70 year old grandma that moved in right next to my apartment, I was 18 at the time and my grandpa was 74. I lived with my grandpa at the time. The old grandma would come to talk to my grandpa each day, she would keep teasing him, she would flirt with him, she tried to seduce him. My grandpa ignored her at first but then he started flirting with her after a couple days. I once came out of my apartment only to see her sucking his dick outside on the porch while he was touching her...
Warning: THIS IS COMPLETELY FICTIONAL! Hello there. One evening, my parents were working late and my brother was at his friend's house. I have just arrived home. These last couple weeks were hectic because my cousin just moved in to stay with us temporarily because my aunt and uncle had a long vacation to attend outside the country. My name is Jack and I am 5'10" with black eyes and black hair, half-muscular. I work out, but my work and school schedule prevents me from getting all the workout I...
IncestThis happened a few years ago when my cousin and I were 20 yrs old and his hot mom was 36. Hard to believe she got pregnant with my cousin while in high school. My uncle almost got in trouble since she was a minor but for some reason their marriage worked out. Diane's parents were rich and my grandpa as well. She is a very beautiful blonde woman with super gorgeous body. If she didn't get pregnant and marry she would have been a super model. Even at 36 she is always mistaken as her son's girl...
Hello! ISS readers , I am james 26 male vadodara, Gujarat. I want to confess in front of you all that I have had gay sex with my cousin brother 5 years back. Before telling you that how had it happened I want to tell something about myself. I was normal boy. I had never any desire of sex before 10th std. But after 10th suddenly such desire was aroused in me. I used to see blue films with friends. After doing all these some times I used to imagine how a girl feels when she takes cock in ....
IncestHi to all ISS reader and here is your Salamon back with my next experience!!!!!and friends I’m very happy to say you that I have given birth to a boy through my sexy teacher and friends thank you so much for your comments for my previous stories Fucking a virgin Senior and hot dream teacher fucked and I have decided put my next experience with my sister wife of my cousin brother Athai Paiyan. This incident took over 3 months ago before she left abroad and there will be no need of describing...
IncestHi All, I am Akshay Ganna 36 years old with an athletic body structure standing 6 feet tall. Lot of girls ogle me and show hidden desires, so I use it to the maximum of my advantage. I hope you have read the first 4 parts of “My Brother’s Bride” where I had some great sexual encounters with Bhavana, 22 year old who was going to be my cousin brother Vinay’s wife now and living in Pune. This story is about her cousin sister Bhavya whom I trapped and took her fresh virgin cunt. Bhavya is Bhavana’s...
Hello dosto, ye meri first sex story hai aaj ki iss sex story me mai aapko bataunga ki kis tarah se mene aapne sister(cousin) ke sath sex ka maja liya …… Mera nam keval hai or me 18 year ka hu.Mera land 7.5” ka hai. Meri cousin sister ka nam pooja hai….. Me jub 18 sal ka tha tab se me porn videos & stories dekhta tha or usko dekh kr me lagbhag roj musterbrahbatian karta tha muje vese to kabhi aapni cousin sister me itna interest nhi tha jabtak maine use sirf bra-penty me dekha …….. Me or meri...
Hi Friends, I am Spandana from Kolkata submitting you the story how i seduced my cousin Ravi(My Dad’s brother’s son). Coming to the story, ours is a typical south Indian family settled in Kolkata from last 10 years. Once we have been Visit to our native place in south India after a very long period of 5 years. When we reahed the station i was expecting my brother to pick us up but he was not there, he sent us his car with a driver to drop us to the guest house. After we reached the guest...
IncestThis happen few years ago when I and my cousin were 20 yrs old and her hot mom was 36. Hard to believe she got pregnant with my cousin while in highschool. My uncle almost got in trouble since she was a minor but for some reason their marriage worked out. Diane's parents were rich and my grandpa as well. She is a very beautiful blonde woman with super gorgeous body. If she didn't get pregnant and marry she would have been a super model. Even at 36 she is always mistaken as her son's girl friend...
Hi this is Preethi. It was a summer vacation. My parents had left to office. My cousin brother 2 yrs elder had come for vacations to our house. Wee both were alone at home as my parents were not at home. Getting bored we tried all sorts of games. Finally we decided to play mummy child play. One of us in turns were supposed to be child & other the mother. First I was the mother. My brother was the child and he acted as if he was crying & I were to do all things that will make him stop crying. I...
IncestHe watched them as they sat sipping their colorful drinks and flirting with male guests and hotel employees alike at the Garden Cloud Lounge. They were undoubtedly four sisters, all in their late twenties and thirties, and attractive. They were obviously American, and they laughed as they tried what little Spanish they knew on the young waiters. He had seen groups like this many times. Their often affluent husbands allowed them to have "Girl's Time Off" now and then. It worked out on both...
However; their skin was so dark no one could make out the fine details such as their nipples. I was so naïve; I didn’t even know the implication of incest. I had some idea, but nothing solid. I knew it had something to do with relatives doing wicked things to each other. I have since gone on the internet and found an article about incest. “How common is sex among siblings among teenagers and young adults” “Brothers and sisters fuck quite a bit, as teenagers…”Brothers and sisters who...