Divorcee Mom and Son First episode
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Hi, To all Iss reader this is my first story hope U all would like it a complete fiction.my self raj i live in Mumbai this story is about my aunty nandita,let me describe her she is in her 30s,lives with her husband and daughter.She is born beauty with an awesome fig of 36.28.40 ..her assets are her huge melons of 36 d and her ass that will give a hard on to any guy who looks at it So now my story starts this was like 5 years ago when I was appearing for my 12 th HSC examination at that time my...
POV Sandra We all went into the bedroom, shut the door, and I yanked Pete right to me. "How do you feel about having two wives?" I giggled, before a gap where I wrapped my arms around his neck. "I'm sorry, I'm trying to lighten the mood. Are you okay, son?" "Yes, Mom, but it’s kind of been that way for a while now. You're not a mistress. Gia knows all about you, and she does it with you too." "Fair enough, but I want you to always treat her as your number one, Pete. You and I have had...
IncestJoy clenched his jaws as he answered his father, “Dad, it is too good to describe. Mom’s mouth is out of this world, dad, almost unbearable. Oh, mom, I think your mouth is going to make me cum soon.” Suvendu gestured me to stop my head movements as he wanted to see his son cumming. “Hold it, Soni, don’t make him cum so soon. Son, take a break. I’ve special plans for your first ejaculation with a real woman. Let your cock get some fresh air while you watch your mother suck mine.” I moved my...
IncestJoy put two pillows beneath my stomach so that my ass protruded up for his unhindered vision. I squirmed a bit as I felt a generous amount of almond oil drop in my asshole. It was followed by a gentle push of finger which started massaging my anal passage expertly. I could not believe that within a few minutes my son’s oiled finger was moving in and out of the passage effortlessly. Then he inserted the second finger and I felt a pressure in the rectal muscles. However, due to another dollop of...
Incest"Well, here we are again," I said, coming next to her. "Back at your house, as you're cooking dinner for us, our sons, and our husbands.""I noticed, but I guess this time you have a different young man to eye-fuck," London added, flipping the chicken breasts. "Then to actually fuck when no one else is looking.""Well, you have the same game to play here. At least this time, you already know you want to play, you don't have to be pushed into it this time.""I pushed myself, Sandra,"...
Incestby Oediplex 8==3~ The sweetest mom discovers her boy is both convenient and delightful. [She also recounts when her dad fucked her at nineteen!] Like the name of Madame DeVille's moniker, Cruella, some names fit the personality they are bestowed upon. Disney came up with that evil woman's apropos handle. My mother's folks named their only child, a daughter, Candy. This was shortly before the infamous 1968 movie was out. Though there were aspects of mom that paralleled the...
"Holy shit, we're dating our hot moms," I said, sitting down on the couch."Where have you been, Joe?" he laughed."I mean, we both actually went on dates with our moms a few weeks ago. Having sex is one thing, but we had dinner, and sat across from our moms, in an intimate setting. You have to admit; things are getting serious, Pete. I've already kissed my mom more in the past two months than in the previous five years before then. I mean, they seem crazy about us. Do you know what I...
IncestPOV: Sandra"The library?" I asked, walking out the door. "How kinky, Pete? I just hope you're studying and not using your time to think about your hot mom," I muttered before a pause as I kept walking. "Oh, who am I kidding? I always want my handsome son thinking of me. I'm good whether we're just cuddling on the couch watching TV or you're fucking me from behind. There's nothing wrong with it when the sex is consequential. Holy shit," I moaned, prior to stopping, leaning against the...
Incest"So, you really had sex with Pete in the library?""Yes," I answered as we both sat down on the couch. "I fully realize that it's not as classy as the shower, but we did it.""Weren't you worried about getting caught?""Well, don't tell Pete I told you, but it actually started with him jacking off under the table. I couldn't help, but to please myself to him. Even with me on his mind, it took him a few minutes to pop, but he did. Then he praised me with one line, and I had to say...
Incest"Good morning, Miss Anderson," Crius said in a formal tone. "Please, call me, Linda," I replied. "Only if you call me, Crius," he answered. The Titan God smiled, but I detected no warmth to it. "Okay, Crius." I returned his smile with some reservation. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I didn't feel at ease with him. When he had asked me out to breakfast, I had been tempted to say 'no', but my curiosity had gotten the better of me. "So, what can I do for you?" "Nothing,...
After downing my son’s reservoir of cum in the sex between mom, dad, and son, I firmly closed my mouth. I gulped hard to give the same treatment to possible minuscule cum residuals concealed in the inner corners of my mouth. I flashed a gratified smile to both, as my son watched The expression of disbelief mixed with awe, admiration, and raw lust on the faces of both pleased me to a large extent. Suvendu commented, “Soni, that was incredible.” Joy agreed, “Mom, you must be the first woman in...
IncestHi guys this is my second story in this 2 years , I had to wait this long because I always would like to write real hooks, iss been doing a great service for guys like us by making us quenching our sex thirst, that too for a divorcee guy like me, thanks for iss for this wonderful job , keep doing it iss, my first story was ” heaven after marriage ” , thanks for the guys who reviewed it and I really appreciate your comments,if guys have studied my last story u would be so aware that I was at the...
I slid the report into the proper file just as he walked into the room. Dennis Butz stood there wearing his three-piece suit, looking as handsome and charming as any man could. But I was not to be tamed by his charm. "Hello, Linda," he said with a friendly grin. "Judge Herns isn't in today," I replied back in a frosty tone. "I'm not here to see her." "My plane leaves in less then an hour Dennis, what do you want?" I slammed the file drawer shut and walked past him to my desk...
“Fuck baby I!! I’m sorry!” He groans as he slammed his cock into me and I can feel his cum drooling into my pussy. Fuck, he can’t even cum right! I groans in disappointment as I pulls my pussy off. I can feel his cum dripping on the bed as I push myself up and hurried to the washroom, letting his cum leaking on my thighs as I walk and I close the door a bit loud than usual. I can hear his apology from inside the room. I sighed as I look at myself in the mirror. Fuck. What have I gotten into?...
Hi ISS readers and fans of ISS! I would like to thank my ISS Readers for appreciating . Also, I thank all those women, teen girls, and bhabhis and my other story followers for their valuable comments and encouragement for keeping me going to post my sexual experiences. To those who don’t know me, my name is Hemant, from Bangalore. I am one of the authors of ISS Story Page. The sex experience I am going to share happened around November i.e. last month. Many women email me to express their...
I licked my lips nonstop as I calmly made my way down the hallway. 'This is an excellent school, but I have no interest in seeing it, I only want to see a hunk in 1D, and no it isn't Pete. I can't wait, Joe, I want your hard cock inside me, and hopefully we'll have a little privacy,' I thought, keeping my eyes on the door. 'I'm just wearing a sexy short skirt and a spaghetti tank top too,' I thought before I halted at the door. 'I'm wearing a bra and thong though; I wouldn't want the...
IncestI walked out of the kitchen and saw them. "Hey, boys, do you two have anything going on tonight?" I pondered, walking back to my chair and sitting down."No, Mom, I think we might just hang out in Joe's room tonight," Pete replied."Are you going to talk about girls, Joe?" I pondered, stopping my eyes on him. 'Your mom doesn't want it, but I want your dick inside me. I surely hope she allows me to get my hands on you because I want you. I'll get you one way or another, but maybe, just...
MILFThe moment I typed ‘mom, the search engine immediately displayed ‘mom and son’. I found my index finger click on the mouse. It was as if a dam broke open and my jaw dropped to find out that there was so much of it. I filtered for videos and still, the search results seemed endless. After scrolling for around twenty minutes one video appealed to me as the lady in it looked similar to Vineeta – not Indian – but quite similar – some Latina pornstar. I watched the video for two minutes. However, it...
IncestPOV: London"It is good to have you and your son over, Sandra," I mentioned, stirring the pot."We're practically best friends now, and don't forget my hubby, who is currently locked in your bedroom with your husband," she whined, strolling towards me with her arms crossed. "If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were having sex.""Sandra," I said a tone while grinning. "Keep your voice down; Joe and Pete are in just in the living room.""So what, London?" she complained, walking...
MILFThis story continues on directly from my first story, Sonya’s Siren Song. In the morning, I opened my eyes, and there was Sonya, in the bed beside me, still fast asleep. I realised that whatever happened last night had really happened, and there was no going back. I wasn’t sure what would happen when she awoke, but just in case, I quietly slipped out of the side of my bed, and put my pyjama pants back on.I looked down at the still-sleeping Sonya, lying with her back to me, and I remembered that...
TabooSandy left to see her father with Randy stuck behind due to an illness that his mom determined was just a stomach bug. He’d be ok in a few days but would have to stay at home as it could be the Norovirus, very contagious, but usually not serious unless you were the one that had it. Then you felt like it’s the worst thing ever. But a couple days in, Randy was settled enough that he could sleep. His mom stayed close, taking care of him. Since she had no job at the moment and they had the...
Hi friends this is Yash 30 years old guy from Mumbai, i have been reading ISS for past 4 years and my first story i had posted long time back about one of my girlfriends friend Lata. I and Lata had enjoyed a lot in terms of sex, but after some 3 years of relationship we got breakup and we move on. About myself i m 5’10″ tall with averagely dark look, i am not gymnastic/ athletic but average body with little tummy. I was working with one of Indian company as sr. Bde in Mumbai for north zone. In...
I went to the restroom to redo my hair and reapply my favorite cherry red lipstick. With all that friction of my son’s cock against my lips, the previous coat was wiped out. I was pleased to notice the glow on my face. No wonder, as Vineeta had mentioned, a young man’s cum does wonders for a woman. The intake of warm young cum in your digestive system generates a lustrous glow within a week. In one day, I had swallowed two huge loads. What a cum slut I had become. As Joy drove the car back...
IncestThat night I tossed and turned in the bed and tried hard to sleep but just couldn’t. images of Vini with her son and Joy fantasizing about me kept on bombarding my brain. And more than anything the words of Vini, “Sonali you should fuck your son,” kept me hitting like a torpedo. In the morning I hit the gym with a vengeance and sweated it out hard in an effort to get all that had happened out of my mind. It was nothing but a bad dream, I kept on telling myself and succeeded to an extent. I was...
IncestTHE CASE OF RANDOLPH MASON (c) 2014, 2017 by Anthony Durrant I went into the room of Special Prosecutor Randolph Mason and found him gasping for breath, his eyes wide from shock, and his mouth wide open. I couldn't see his skin under his bandaged face, but I'd bet anything that it was as pale as a piece of tissue paper. I ran to get Dr. Merton, the plastic surgeon who'd operated on the Special Prosecutor, and the two of us returned to Mason's room. By that time,...
In the morning, I opened my eyes, and there was Sonya, in the bed beside me, still fast asleep. I realised that whatever happened last night had really happened, and there was no going back. I wasn’t sure what would happen when she awoke, but just in case, I quietly slipped out of the side of my bed, and put my pyjama pants back on. I looked down at the still-sleeping Sonya, lying with her back to me, and I remembered that under the covers, she probably still had her silk nightdress...
Randi's Vacation Randi woke up to his alarm and quickly silenced it. A quick glance to his left confirmed the Denise was already up. She almost always got up before him preferring some extra time between getting ready for work and needing to walk out the door. He preferred to have enough time to get ready, eat and go. He walked to the bathroom which was right in the master bedroom. The condo they bought was a bit extravagant but provided plenty of room and they could afford it on...
Hum dono abhi bhi nange hi thay. Chalte chalte usne paad maari. Uski gaand mein abhi bhi haddi akti hui thi. Nadi kinare, jhadiyon ke bich usko bithaya. “Hug le saali madarchod. Kab se paad rahi jai bhosdiki.” Woh hugne lagi. Uski gaand se haddi nikal gayi. Uski garam moot ki dhaar mere pairo pe giri. “Saali maderjaat! Mere pairon pe mootegi. Saali raand muh khol,” main uske muh mein mootne laga. Lavda uske gale mein ghus kar mootne laga. Maine apni tange faila di aur wahi khade khade hugne...
I ran out in front of him. "Stare at my butt, I don't mind," I pointed out, walking to my room.I didn't see him peek back at me, and I entered the room. It took him a few seconds to come in there with me, but I wasn't sure what to make of it at the time.As he made it in there, I pulled him to me and closed the door. "You're about to have sex with your flesh and blood mom," I spoke before I kissed him. "The one woman that literally loves you most in the world. The one that will never...
IncestSometimes it happens in life that one plans a lot to achieve their dreams, and that achievement is brought about by sheer fate. That’s what happened with my experience of mommy son roleplay. On weekdays, right after the departure of my husband, my son would waste no time to fuck my brains out. The fact that the nights were booked for his dad had increased the intensity with which he fucked me. Similarly, my hunger to have his cock plunge inside my cunt, mouth, and ass had also increased many...
IncestRick looked at me with desire in his eyes and moaned, “Mom your lips are so juicy and hot.” And in a swift move put his lips on mine and started feeding on them. Such was the intensity that a short gasp emitted from my mouth. But got submerged in his soft groans of pleasure. I also found myself gorging on his mouth. Within a few seconds lost total control immersing ourselves in the most passionate kiss of our lives. I felt his penis growing hard and long and banter upon my thigh. It must have...
IncestMy son was fully into Vini, positioning himself perfectly and relishing her abundant mounds. His palms and fingers sank in them. He groaned in pleasure, “Oh, Vini aunty, you’re softer than I ever imagined. It feels heavenly to squeeze your boobs.” “Don’t call me Aunty Joy, say Vini or Vineeta. Squeeze them to your heart’s content. I’m all yours now.” Her sensual drawl stoked the fireball of lust in Joy. “I’ll call you Vineeta. Damn, your nipples are so erect.” “Go ahead and suck them, Joy,”...
IncestHe iss readers, I am back after long time. Here I will tell u how I seduce my uncles sexy maid, sonali. I am from kolkata and I will tell the story in bengali. If anyone want to know, may write to me Sonali, bachor ponero solo er halka gom ronger meyetar sorir chilo khub akorsoniyo. Amar kakimar bari kaaj korto. Sbsamoy bra panty er sathe porto ekta paatla naity. Naity er arale or panty er rong majhe majhe bojha jeto, ar besirbhag samoyei or bra er fite beriye thakto. Ami takhon college e...
Hi, Reader. I know the first question you have in your mind seeing a multi-part story with an episode number higher than 10. You may wonder/guess, “What is there to tell a sex story with 13+ parts? Maybe in each episode male character will fuck one girl. Otherwise in each episode male character will fuck a girl in a different environment like pool, bed, bath, etc.” This is not that type of story, this is like a novel which has all the ingredients like a strong addictive storyline,...
IncestMera naam Rudra hai. Ek number ka harami aur besharam. Mera dimaag mere lavde mein hai, jo saala har waqt chudai ke liye uchalte rehta hai. Kasarati badan jo ghanto tak lavde ka saath deta hai. Waise toh bachpan se hi kaafi chudai ki hai. Lekin yeh wali sabse achi wali, ya yeh kahu ki sab se gandi wali hai. Main tab 30 saal ka tha. Shaadi hui nahi thi. Ghar mein rehta hi nahi tha. Naukri hi aisi thi ke sheher-sheher gaon-gaon bhatakna padta tha. Peshe se ek civil engineer, jiski degree paiso se...
Joy emerged from his room with an envelope in hand and entered my bedroom and came out with a smile of relief on his visage. “Ma, it was a great relief to write all my feeling for that unique lady. Read it with patience and tell me what you feel. You might get angry but all I have been is bluntly honest. Whatever will be your next step, I’ll accept it gladly.” “Why do you think I might get angry?” “Well, it’s not the matter mother and son usually talk about.” “I told you, dear, I won’t get...
IncestPOV: Will I walked up to the door and strolled in the house with Josh. "Crap, dude, I have to take a leak," I whined, before making my way to the bathroom. I ambled in there and immediately used the toilet. I failed even to close the door, but I didn't see anyone else in the hallway then. "Damn, it almost feels like an orgasm, so there is a good thing about consuming a lot of alcohol. My liver may not like it, but I did get a nice after effect from needing to piss," I muttered, before...
VoyeurAndrea Standing (part 2 of Andrea's Stand) A note at the beginning. One of the problems with writing a serial story is that the author feels a need to recap what happened in the prior portions. Please go back and read part 1, "Andrew Running". It will make this a better story. Briefly Andrew at 19, abused by his father, runs away to a distant relative, Aunt Clara. Andrew goes along with a joke played by Clara's lover Marnie, and ends up as Andrea working in Marnie's luxury used car...
Hi everyone, I am Nikhil and this is my first story in Indian Sex Stories , I hope you all will like it. Please don’t forget to comment if you like the story or you can mail me at Ajj main apko apko 2 hafte pehele ki ek ghatna batane jaa raha hu, jisne meri life ke, maje lene ke tarike hi badal diye. Is story me main apko bataunga ki kaise mujhe pata chala ki meri Sali ek randi hai aur kaise maine use hotel main choda. Toh story start karte hai… Main ek IT-Professional hun, aur aksar mujhe...
Hello everyone, my name is Rohit Sharma age 27 height 5′ 11″. This story is about me and mom Sweta Sharma. The incident took place when I was in my final year of engineering at the age of 21 and my mom’s age was 38. Before going further a small brief about the background of the story. My mother and my father fall in love when they were neighbours and despite their parent opposition they ran away and got married. At the time of marriage my mother’s was just 16 and my father was 20 years old. My...
IncestHelio this Adam Matthews from Mumbai.This story is about my best friends mom Sonam. I was feeling quite hot after driving to sam’s house. Since his family had moved to another village, we didn’t see each other as often. I was looking forward to hanging out with him. We had a similar taste in music and sport, so there was always plenty to talk about. I parked my bike around the side of the house before ringing the front doorbell. Mrs Sonam, sam’s mom, opened the door. I hadn’t seen her for a...
Hello, I am Sonali, 45 years fit sexy and what you can categorize as the perfect MILF. Today I will tell you about an incident which changed my life for good. I have a very close friend Vineeta, a Malayali lady, who is my gym workout partner. As we both had many things in common we hit it out pretty well and became close. We started discussing and sharing personal matters including our ex lives. As it turned out we were monogamous females. Just having sex with their husband for the sake of it,...
IncestThere was a 70 year old grandma that moved in right next to my apartment, I was 18 at the time and my grandpa was 74. I lived with my grandpa at the time. The old grandma would come to talk to my grandpa each day, she would keep teasing him, she would flirt with him, she tried to seduce him. My grandpa ignored her at first but then he started flirting with her after a couple days. I once came out of my apartment only to see her sucking his dick outside on the porch while he was touching her...
“Ok, dear, explain, though. I know it’s going to be hard convincing.” “If you have shut down your mind not to be convinced, then it’s futile to explain.” “Ok, I am keeping an open mind. But you are asking a mother to have sex with her own son. Tell me honestly, how many mothers in real life even think of doing that in real life? Yes, there are lots of porn on the net on this, but most are actors, non-related and make-believe.” “Soni, the real mom son couples will only be fools to come out in...
IncestIn the previous story Brandi finds out that her son, she had put up for adoption, sixteen years prior, was at her home. We were on our way to California. I was very lucky to get a flight out of Tanzania, that morning at ten. I estimated, it was going to take twenty-three hours to get to our home in California. We had plenty of time for Brandi to explain what had happened. I had booked a first class flight, there were only two seats on each side of the isle, and we were the only two in the...
My name is Steve and I am of 19 years. I stand 5'11" above the ground and have a good built, however not of a footballer. Most people enjoy my company and I get around well with both, boys and girls. My parents broke up when I was 12 and my father sent me to a hostel. I studied there for 4 years after which I again started living with my father. Our relationship developed into a mature one and I started looking forward to him not only as a father but also as a friend and a guide.Three months...
100% fiction! I am telling my sex story with my son. This happened when my husband was working in gulf. We had a big debt because of business failure and husband had to sign a bond to work abroad for 5 years. He left last year and I was alone without sex for almost 1 year. My son was in school at that time and after one year, he joined PUC. He was not good in study and failed in some classes in school so he was 19 years old at that time. I was a beautiful woman with good body. My vitals were...
IncestFAITH AND THE THAI EPISODEorFaith’s Sexual awakeninga novel byNicoletta Sanchez Duran Faith and the Thai episode – Part 1 This is the story of Faith Griffith, 30 year old Manhattan school teacher whose husband Greg Pope had died whilst on honeymoon in Thailand. What Faith had never told anyone was that Greg had been found in an abandoned shack dead from a heart attack attributed to a combination of Viagra, crack and cocaine. Two days after their honeymoon started in Bangkok he had disappeared...
POV Keisha"I guess we'll see you later then, bye Pete and Joe, and nice to meet you two, London and Sandra. Maybe we'll see each other again considering you two love to frequent here," I said before we walked away."I hope so because you two are lovely ladies," London added before we waved to Pete, Joe, Sandra, and her, as we left.I waited for the door to close before I spoke. "Gia, is it just me, or do you think it just might be possible that Joe and Pete are, you know?" I muttered,...
IncestHello friends, aap sabhi ko meri shubh kaamnaye. Aapke mail mile mujhe, behad khushi hui. Thanks sabko. Chaliye aaj ka episode padhte hai. Jo bhi ye episode pahli baar pad rahe ho unse kahunga ki aap ise padhne se pahle season 1 padhle jisse apko saari kahaniyo ki jad se pata chale. Jo bhi mujhe mail mein messages aur apni sujhaaw dena chahte ho, ye raha mera mail id ( ). Aur haan agar aapko meri series pasand aa rahi ho to mujhe vote karna na bhoole. PART 12: Cousin Sister Bharti – Intro...
The Commander still stared at the torn off rank insignia of the former Midshipman as his Desk, Then hisCom flashed with the top urgent icon. He touched the screen and a Holo transmission from Fleet headquarters solidified. It was the Old man himself, Admiral of the Fleet McElligott. “Where is Midshipman Olafson?” “Sir, the Ex Midshipman is just transferred to the brig. That subject has been dealt with swift and harsh. I doubt he is conscious. Thirty five lashes and off to Brisbane...
He watched them as they sat sipping their colorful drinks and flirting with male guests and hotel employees alike at the Garden Cloud Lounge. They were undoubtedly four sisters, all in their late twenties and thirties, and attractive. They were obviously American, and they laughed as they tried what little Spanish they knew on the young waiters. He had seen groups like this many times. Their often affluent husbands allowed them to have "Girl's Time Off" now and then. It worked out on both...
A few months after I got Divorced I was at my local Swimming Pool were I go several times a week to keep fit. I had swam a few lengths of the pool & decided to have a seat in one of the Jacuzzi pools they have, after relaxing for a time I heard a womans voice saying hi Bob, I looked up & there was Joan, she was a friend of the family, a divorcee in her early sixties. She sat down beside me an we started chatting, she wanted to know how I was since the Divorce, if I had found a girl...
POV: London“Fuck me, that was intense, but I think it had to be done," I said, pulling Joe and Keisha to me. "You got that right, London," Sandra agreed, holding Gia and Pete. "I guess we don't need to hide anything now though, and its gonna get crowded here." "Yes," Joe sobbed, before kissing me. "Let's go, Mom, let's make our relationship completely official and have sex." "I like that, son, I love you, I swear, nothing will ever change that. I stood firm against your father, and...
IncestAndrea On Her Own (Part 3 of Andrea's Stand) A Note Before: If you have not read parts 1 and 2, please go back and do so. I have spent some time trying to develop the characters involved and a brief description of the plot so far will not help you much. Chapter 1: Needing More I leaned back in my chair and stretched. It had been a long hour and a half finishing the homework from my calc. class. As I stretched I felt the sweater pressing against the breast forms and glanced...
a big hello to all of you. My name is Deepa, a 42 year old housewife from Jamshedpur Jharkhand. I am new to this site and story writing. I used to be very innocent and very conservative Hindu lady. I am here because of my son who is now my husband too. Strange isn’t it, but it is true. I married my son under his tremendous pressure and unconditional love which I was missing since my husband’s untimely death.Now to coming to the story, which is a true story I hope you all will enjoy it. My...
My family is normal family as like every family in our country consisting of myself dad,mom and my sis . My dad Ramegowda is about 56 ,my mom Vijaya is 42 and my sis Pooja is18 and my age is 20 at that time , lot of years as been over after the great ultimate thing is happened in my life, so here we head to start, I am going to narrate this as a novel. Its a rainy day Rathode is still in is bed his father is going to dheradhun to see is daughter where she is studying ,ever month ramegowda...
I’m kind of compelled to weave a story because many of the stories here don’t seem to completely fulfil my fantasy. I love only one category and that is i****t…and exclusively mother-son i****t. So those who finds this abhorring, please leave or you might feel offended…I’m intending to write about mom-son alone…no other component…and as in most cases, this is a work of pure fiction and fantasy… I’m not on to write about something involving brute v******e and mere lust. my tale requires time to...