Hester
4 years ago
Size Matters By Cal Y. Pygia I like to shock people. If I had the talent, I'd be a horror writer or a director of horror movies, and I'd go for the jugular every time. But I'm not particularly talented. I can't write. I can't direct. I can't sculpt or paint. I can't act or sing or dance. When it comes to talent, I'm severely handicapped. God's gifts to me are of another kind. I am beautiful. Gorgeous, really. I say this with all humility, for it is God's gift to me; I did...
1 year ago
It didn't end well. But the journey wasn't without its highlights. I had dated Carol, the ex, for nearly five years before we married. We had met in high school. I had reservations about marrying her, which is, I suppose, common. But she had raised (practically) several nieces and nephews and, having come from a large family, could cook great for such a young woman. She deplored that her brothers cheated on her sister in laws. And she was HOT. Compact and curvy in all the right places,...
Cheating Wifes
4 years ago
My best friend Kalpana got married before me and a few months later I could not resist finding a man.I decided to go and visit her with my hubby and we had a very great time together. Kalpana and myself like to do wrestling and in the course of our wrestling match we get wet and the winner then fucks the loser.Though I am 2 inches taller than kalpana she always defeat me and with a dildo attached to her waist she fucks me until exhaustion. I feel so good and so dominated.On the day that we...
2 years ago
As a healthy woman I have had no qualms whatsoever about sex, race, age, size, and looks, have never entered the equation, just the penis into my vagina, because it's what I wanted at that moment in time.What most men want to know is what is the biggest cock you have ever rode. Well that is a double-edged question, because 'Big' for a woman is either length or breadth.For me personally, breadth wins hands down, as the fulfillment feeling makes for a great orgasm, as your vaginal muscles grip...
4 years ago
The following Friday a largish teenager asked to speak with me privately. "As you can tell, I'm somewhat big up top. I have always bought my bras at that well known department store and have never been happy with how they feel. By the end of the day my back aches and my boobs are usually sore." "Yes, you need the right fit and the right material as well as extra support. We have several bra lines to choose from that would do the job right for you. I would recommend Aviana. Most bra...
2 years ago
Chapter Five: Futa-Cutie Mind-Controls the MILFs By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to Alex for beta reading this! Sasha Ford If I could curse out loud, I'd be spitting vitriol. Fuck, fuck, fuck! screamed through my thoughts as I stared through the louvered slats of Mildred Dean's closet. I was trapped in here. Stuck with the panties that I so desperately wanted to don bunched in my hand. I had to pull them on and gain my own futa-cock. And have my own mind-controlling...
4 years ago
It's been said that necessity is the mother of invention. That may be true, but in a lot of cases, it's just plain dumb luck, as in this case. I have, I think, inadvertently stumbled upon a new way to get laid. Granted it will never be one-hundred-per-cent effective but at least it worked once, and that's a hell of a lot higher success rate than most of things I`ve tried over the years. But first let me bore you with some background. The millions of dollars the government spent on AIDS...
4 years ago
Chapter Three: Daddy Mind-Control's His Fertile Girl By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Notes: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! I was kneeling in my daddy's office in my torn pantyhose and my gray business skirt hiked over my waist. My pink blouse was open, my round and perky tits out in all their nineteen-year-old perfection. I had my mouth wrapped around Daddy's cock, nursing his dirty dick clean of my asshole. Just like a daddy's girl should. And I was the best daddy's girl...
4 years ago
Chapter Seven: Futa Mind-Controls Her Bratty Sister By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to Alex for beta reading this! Sasha Ford I pulled out of my mother's pussy, my new futa-cock feeling amazing as I slid out of her. It popped out. My dick throbbed as I put my finger to my lips, motioning my redheaded mother to silence. She grinned and nodded, eager to obey. That was all thanks to the mind-controlling panties I stole from the woman who had moved in across the street. Mildred...
3 years ago
Chapter Ten: Daughter Mind-Controls Herself By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! Eve “Dusk” Michaels I had the best day at church. It was something I never thought I would think. Fun? At church? Those were places and concepts that did not go together. Unless you made love to your daddy in the nursing room while your mother and little sister were having lezzie sex nearby. Then church was fun. Hot. Exciting. My pussy ached in memory of losing my...
3 years ago
If you're under 18, do not read this story. F/M, F/F/MHayley Williams tries to get more people to vote... The crowd. It gave Hayley a sense of happiness that she usually only got on stage. However, this was different. This was important to not only her but the world.Election day was ten days away and with all the stuff going on around the country that disgusted her, Hayley was very motivated not only to vote but to volunteer as well. It seemed that her friend, and fellow singing sensation,...
2 years ago
Chapter Twelve: Futa's Mind-Controlled Cherry Girlfriend By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to Alex for beta reading this! Chloe Quick I trembled as Stacey approached. My best friend had a nervous look on her face as she came up to me and Kendall, one of my mind-controlled lovers. I had my hand shoved into the pocket of my skirt gripping my wet panties. My nipples throbbed and ached against my babydoll t-shirt. My pussy clenched and my futa-dick throbbed in my panties. It was...
4 years ago
Chapter Nineteen: Breeding the Mind-Controlled Cuties By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! Vivian Bailey “I'm not sure I want to be bred,” I told Mr. Michaels. We were in his classroom. The school day was done, and I was reporting to my professor the progress I had made on programming the app and server software for his mind-control devices. I was a lesbian. I liked girls, but thanks to the device controlling my mind, I also wanted Mr. Michaels....
2 years ago
It started like any Saturday night.The guys came over to watch the game and my girlfriend (soon to be fiancé), Emma, catered the event. There was always plenty of beer and snacks; of course, Emma was looking mighty tasty herself. I don’t know if she dressed up for these occasions on purpose but this night, in particular, she had gone over the top – she was wearing a tight black dress that seemed casual yet sexy at the same time. It accentuated the movements of her already curvaceous body. I...
Oral Sex
4 years ago
Chapter Thirteen: Futa Mind-Controls Her Hot Boss By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to Alex for beta reading this! Mildred Dean The panties sailed over my boss's desk and landed on her cleavage, sticking to the round expanse of firm boobs the dominating woman had. Athena Pearce gasped in shock, thrusting back from her desk. The leather executive's chair wheeled back as fury crossed her face. “There is no mental health condition that is going to justify throwing your wet...
3 years ago
Chapter Sixteen: Mind-Controlling the Kinky Lesbians By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! Kimberly “Kimmie” Michael I pulled my car into the parking lot before the Pink Pussycat. The sex shop didn't look too sleazy. It had a bright, neon sign with a cat perched on the end of the sweeping cursive words. There was something bold and suggestive about the pose of the mascot. “I can't believe we're going in there,” Natalie said. My friend was a more...
2 years ago
Note: Thanks to Alex for beta reading this! Sasha Ford If I could curse out loud, I’d be spitting vitriol. Fuck, fuck, fuck! screamed through my thoughts as I stared through the louvered slats of Mildred Dean’s closet. I was trapped in here. Stuck with the panties that I so desperately wanted to don bunched in my hand. I had to pull them on and gain my own futa-cock. And have my own mind-controlling panties. You just had to stay downstairs fucking! snarled through my thoughts. I glared at...
4 years ago
Chapter Twenty-One: Breeding Mind-Controlled Cuties By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! Eve “Dusk” Michaels Dolly execute pep rally speech and then lead the cheerleaders in getting fucked by the football team, I typed into the command queue as the pep rally at my college was underway. We were up against our rivals tonight, and the school was getting into the excitement. Cheerleader Squad One follow Dolly lead and fuck the football team. There...
3 years ago
Chapter Fifteen: Enjoying His Mind-Controlled Students By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! Dean Michaels My cock spurted into my student's hot, tight, young pussy. “Mr. Michaels!” Amanda howled, her convulsing cunt wringing out the jizz flooding her coed twat. The redheaded cutie shuddered, bent over my desk and receiving her reward for getting the top mark on the test in my second class of the day. I loved being a college professor. To touch...
3 years ago
Chapter Seventeen: Mind-Controlled Brat Spanked By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! June “Junebug” Michael Excitement rippled through me. Daddy was having more fun with his mind-control device. And I got to enjoy the aftermath. It was so exciting. And it was my best friend that he controlled. He used my friend Britney for his pleasure. Daddy was amazing. I led my naked friend across the cafeteria. Every girl kept looking at us in envy. Jennifer...
2 years ago
Sasha Ford I pulled out of my mother’s pussy, my new futa-cock feeling amazing as I slid out of her. It popped out. My dick throbbed as I put my finger to my lips, motioning my redheaded mother to silence. She grinned and nodded, eager to obey. That was all thanks to the mind-controlling panties I stole from the woman who had moved in across the street. Mildred had her own futa-cock and her own pair of panties. She’d given another pair to fourteen-year-old Chloe Quick and sent her out onto...
2 years ago
Chapter Twenty-Three: Mind-Controlled Daughter Delight By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! John Preston I couldn't believe I just ordered a mind-control device from the very man I was investigating: Dean Michaels. $10,000... I just spent $10,000 on what had to be a hoax, but my fellow U.S. attorney, Gina Brand, was right. How else to explain what was going on around this man. FBI agents didn't march into a police precinct and come out...
3 years ago
Chapter Thirteen: Installing Mind-Controlled Passions By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to WRC264 for beta reading this! Dean Michael I needed coffee. “Have fun,” Kimmie said, wrapped up in her house robe, her face flushed. I had just made love to her. She wanted to have my cum in her pussy. My wife had a naughty grin on her face as she watched us heading out the door. “Don't do anything I wouldn't do with that.” I had the new mind-control device slung under my arm. I...
3 years ago
The Anything Controller By Zedd I bought the little box in an old antique store down the street from where I live and brought it home to check it out. "Cool!" I exclaimed as I opened it up and found a small controller, very much like a game-boy inside. I picked it up and noticed that, except for the size, it wasn't really much like a game-boy after all. I noticed several small controls and levers, each having a small window next to them, and an enter pad at the...
4 years ago
Dean Michaels My cock spurted into my student’s hot, tight, young pussy. “Mr. Michaels!” Amanda howled, her convulsing cunt wringing out the jizz flooding her underage twat. The redheaded cutie shuddered, bent over my desk and receiving her reward for getting the top mark on the test in my second class of the day. I loved being a teacher. To touch young minds—and young cunts—was a privilege. My mind-control device was giving my students the encouragement to excel in my classes. To try with...
1 year ago
June “Junebug” Michael Excitement rippled through me. Daddy was having more fun with his mind-control device. And I got to enjoy the aftermath. It was so exciting. And it was my best friend that he controlled. He used my friend Britney for his pleasure. Daddy was amazing. I led my naked friend across the cafeteria. Every girl kept looking at us in envy. Jennifer was so amazing. Who else would go naked at school? Not me. But she had the courage to do it and everyone just accepted it....
2 years ago
Chapter Two: Futa's Mind-Controlled Family Fun By mypenname3000 Copyright 2020 Note: Thanks to Alex for beta reading this! Mildred Dean I stared at the woman who entered the Quick household like she belonged. She took two steps before she saw the debauchery before her. The debauchery my new abilities had unleashed. A shiver ran through me as I stared at the shock rippling across the woman's face. The features were so similar to Dianne Quick, the married mother cooing on the couch as...
2 years ago
Chloe Quick I trembled as Stacey approached. My best friend had a nervous look on her face as she came up to me and Kendall, one of my mind-controlled lovers. I had my hand shoved into the pocket of my skirt gripping my wet panties. My nipples throbbed and ached against my babydoll t-shirt. My pussy clenched and my futa-dick throbbed in my panties. It was chubbing up, forming a noticeable bulge. My girly balls ached, getting soaked by my juices. “Hey,” Stacey said. “Um, you’re hanging out...
3 years ago
Vivian Bailey My freshman concubine, Michelle, was happily munching at my pussy. Under the mind-control device, she was thrilled to be my lover. I had a harem of sexy girls. They were all around my loft. My girlfriend, Britney, was having fun on the bed getting fucked by both our mothers. Those two sexy women loved coming by to visit. They got to have so much fun eating out underage pussy, including their daughters. Other girls in the harem were busy doing programming. They had all been...
3 years ago
Kimberly “Kimmie” Michael I pulled my car into the parking lot before the Pink Pussycat. The sex shop didn’t look too sleazy. It had a bright, neon sign with a cat perched on the end of the sweeping cursive words. There was something bold and suggestive about the pose of the mascot. “I can’t believe we’re going in there,” Natalie said. My friend was a more strait-laced Christian than I was. I had been into the sex shop a few times to buy the naughty schoolgirl outfits to wear in the bedroom...
2 years ago
A Story of the Institute of Apotheosis Research Chapter Four: Mind-Controlled into Lesbian Sisters By mypenname3000 Copyright 2018 Note: Thanks to wrc264 for beta reading this! Deidre Icke, President of the failing Institute of Apotheosis, had to act. Her son, transformed into a new god by usurping the Halo from its proper owner, had broken out of the storage room they'd locked him in. With his powers, he could bend the Institute to his will. She had to buy time for the others to destroy...
1 year ago
Love Is The Only Thing That Matters By Troy When I first changed, love was the last thing on my mind. However, life has a strange way of showing you the right path. I'm getting ahead of my life. Let me tell you my story. Now when you see my body, you note an attractive, young, Hispanic female. That's not how I started. I was once a burly, white male who was at best average looking. Then I met Carrie. She would be responsible for changing my life forever. She was an angel come...
1 year ago
Private Matters by Gingerfred Man Chapter One ? Recruited Adults are often puzzled why teenagers are so surly and miserable. Fathers in particular look at their sons and say, "You?re so lucky to be young." What they?re thinking is, "You?re so lucky to be slim, have a hard cock with a quick reload, and be around all that pretty young pussy for you to boff." My dad was right about the slimness and hard cock, but the pussy didn?t seem to be yearning for my boffing. My name is...
4 years ago
Altered Fates: Family Matters by Bashful bashful47"hotmail.com Jerry Fields was "baching" it tonight. His wife of 5 years was visiting her father for the next couple of days. Elizabeth's father, Harold Bigelow, was Jerry's boss. He owned the manufacturing plant that Jerry managed where they manufactured a variety of household cleaning products such as brooms and mops. Not very exciting but a solid, steady business. Jerry was very young to hold such a lofty position. He had...
4 years ago
A Story of the Institute of Apotheosis Research Chapter One: Mother Mind-Controlled into Lover By mypenname3000 Copyright 2018 Note: Thanks to wrc264 for beta reading this! The Institute of Apotheosis implemented the emergency Judas Protocols. One of their own had betrayed them. Alex Icke finished typing in the final address into the shipping computer. The warehouse was quiet. No one else was in here but his sister, Alexis. After Ulrich Geller's betrayal of the Institute, handing out...
3 years ago
Adam rushed into his room after school. His dick was already straining in his pants. It seemed like it was getting harder and harder to make it through a day of school without jerking off. The young man had taken to blowing a load in the toilet at lunch. Today, he couldn't find an empty stall before the bell rang. The boy dropped his pants wrapped his hand around his four inch dick. He beat it intently as he watched a video of man shoving his ten inch cock up some slut's ass. The whore was...
4 years ago
Chapter Thirteen: Mind-Controlled Virgin Sister By mypenname3000 Copyright 2018 Justin Sampson “Master!” chorused the hundreds of girls crowding the hallway before me. “Master, Master, Master!” There were so many of them. I only recognize half of them by sight, a sea of college coeds, interspersed with professors and staff like the college's secretary, Miss Debbie. Plus there was my PE teacher Coach Johnson, my history teacher, my English instructor from last year, my sultry French...
3 years ago
? Graymangazer 2113 CONTROLLING GRACE. BY GRAYMANGAZERA young wife decides to live out her submissive fantasies under the control of another couple, against her husband’s wishes.Like any writer I thrive on feedback so please leave comments, good or bad, but please, if bad tell me what you don’t like.I also welcome E-mails at [email protected] 1.I pulled the car to a stop in...
3 years ago
A Story of the Institute of Apotheosis Research Chapter Six: Brother's Mind-Controlling Passion By mypenname3000 Copyright 2018 Note: Thanks to wrc264 for beta reading this! Deidre Icke, President of the collapsing Institute of Apotheosis Research, shuddered as she slipped off her Master and ex-husband's face. Robert Icke had licked her pussy while their eighteen-year-old daughter had licked her asshole. Deidre buzzed from her orgasms. Her large breasts swayed, her black hair danced...
2 years ago
John Preston I couldn’t believe I just ordered a mind-control device from the very man I was investigating: Dean Michaels. $10,000... I just spent $10,000 on what had to be a hoax, but my fellow U.S. attorney, Gina Brand, was right. How else to explain what was going on around this man. FBI agents didn’t march into a police precinct and come out thinking that a man could do no wrong. That he could break any law. My phone buzzed on my hip. I pulled it off the plastic case on my belt. A new...
3 years ago
The young black stud remained by the pool for only an hour this time.The unintentional tension in the air caused by this black stud was obviously making all 13 of us white husbands feel uncomfortable. Our pretty white wives had so many moments where they were uncharacteristically quiet and somber, yet they tried to keep some form of communication inside the group.Minutes before the black man departed a few of the wives suggested we ask him to join us for the next meal."Why don't you guys go...
4 years ago
We have lived next to Janice for a few years and have become used to hearing her temper tantrums, lots of shouting though to us she has always been very polite. She is probably in her mid 50s and overweight. I noticed what I think as unusual behaviour soon after we moved into our house. I have seen her walking in the street in the nude at least five times. The first time I was placing my daughter in the car and could see her walking up the full length of the street naked thankfully I was sat...
2 years ago
We have lived next to Janice for a few years and have become used to hearing her temper tantrums, lots of shouting though to us she has always been very polite. She is probably in her mid 50s and overweight. I noticed what I think as unusual behaviour soon after we moved into our house. I have seen her walking in the street in the nude at least five times. The first time I was placing my daughter in the car and could see her walking up the full length of the street naked thankfully I was sat...
4 years ago
We have lived next to Janice for a few years and have become used to hearing her temper tantrums, lots of shouting though to us she has always been very polite. She is probably in her mid 50s and overweight. I noticed what I think as unusual behaviour soon after we moved into our house. I have seen her walking in the street in the nude at least five times. The first time I was placing my daughter in the car and could see her walking up the full length of the street naked thankfully I was sat...
4 years ago
I looked out my window. A thunderstorm was rolling in, the withered late-autumn corn bristling in unison. The last gasp of Summer, was about to be overtaken, and the freeze of winter would coop me up in this two-story prison for the the next season. Don't get me wrong; I do enjoy the passage of seasons. From the radiance of summer to the sterility of winter, it adds a predictable spice to life. People in the South do yearn for snow, after all. But in this rural outpost, two miles out from...
Mind Control
2 years ago
Deidre Icke, President of the failing Institute of Apotheosis, had to act. Her son, transformed into a new god by usurping the Halo from its proper owner, had broken out of the storage room they’d locked him in. With his powers, he could bend the Institute to his will. She had to buy time for the others to destroy all the research that went into making the Halos. They were never meant to be mass produced. Luckily, no one person could re-create them. Only their dead guru and his wife fully...
2 years ago
Eve “Dusk” Michaels I had the best day at church. It was something I never thought I would think. Fun? At church? Those were places and concepts that did not go together. Unless you made love to your daddy in the nursing room while your mother and little sister were having lezzie sex nearby. Then church was fun. Hot. Exciting. My pussy ached in memory of losing my virginity to daddy’s cock. I sat beside him on the bench seat of his truck as we were driving to the computer part store. He...
1 year ago
To under stand this story please read the first story of my out of control wife. As I said in the first story my wife Kim is 30, she has long dark brown hair, brown eyes, with a set of 41c breast which look out of place on her slim body and seem to just hypnotize men. Two weeks had passed since Kim’s adventure in New Orleans and we have had sex every night. We haven’t used the green potion but the tape excites Kim because every time she watches it she is ready to jump my bones. We were talking...
Group Sex
2 years ago
Wrapping your head around the concept of finding a guy worthy after you’ve fucked Aaron Black is like trying to wrap your hand around his cock, it just doesn’t fit. I had changed. Not only was he on my mind all the time, but my mind was in a different place all together on men I met. I no longer listened to them when they talked, or cared if they stared at my jutting FF cup boobs, I just glanced to their crotches, and tried to determine if they were packing serious enough heat to be worth my...
4 years ago
Up until a few years ago, my sex life was very conservative and pretty boring; certainly nothing worthy of a story. I had been with several men and the sex was often enjoyable, but it always ended up being very predictable and in the end, very vanilla. That all changed when I met my present boyfriend, Mike. He is very good-looking and is nicely equipped but what really sets him apart is his ability to use what he has. He is very open, very creative, and has this ability to get me to try things...
2 years ago
by HammertimeBen and Paul slid the canoes from the back of Paul's pickup and down to the edge of the river. Liz was unloading the supplies from the back of the truck. They were about to embark on a two night trip down the river, a trip that Paul and Liz had taken many times before. It was a first time for Ben and he wasn't at all sure about doing it. Being on water wasn't one of his favorite things. The idea of white water ahead made him wish he had just told them no again.Ben and Paul were...
3 years ago
I was nearly finished my shift for the day. I just had to clean 2 more rooms and then I could leave this seedy motel. I hurriedly pushed my cleaning trolly to the next room. I knocked on the door while calling out "Room Service". I waitted the mandatory 10 seconds and then let myself in.As I opened the door I saw a man sitting up on the bed looking at his computer. I was just about to say something when I realized he had ear phones on and wouldn't hear me. Our Motel rooms have a long hall...
4 years ago
Wrapping your head around the concept of finding a guy worthy after you’ve fucked Aaron Black is like trying to wrap your hand around his cock; it just doesn’t fit. I had changed. Not only was he on my mind all the time, but my mind was in a different place all together on men I met. I no longer listened to them when they talked, or cared if they stared at my jutting FF cup boobs, I just glanced to their crotches, and tried to determine if they were packing serious enough heat to be worth my...
Fetish
1 year ago
I know you fucks love giantess porn. That's why you are here reading this, right? I don't know how you twisted freaks whip out your cocks to jerk it to cartoon porn, but whatever. The world would be a fucking boring place if we all fucked the same women and fapped to the same type of porn, don't you think? We need y'all freaks in life. Thing is, Booru-style porn has gained popularity over the last decade as millions of horny freaks frequent these sites to see giant cartoon babes that are so big...
Hentai Porn Sites
2 years ago
All That Matters By Cal Y. Pygia Thick and rigid, Jason's cock stood uptight against his belly. The sight of the smooth, firm-soft cheeks of her Violet's bare ass always excited him; he found her round, compact ass delightful. It was her best feature and, considering the rest of her, that was quite a compliment. Jason enjoyed massaging it. He'd spent the last half hour doing just that, making small circles over the sleek, lovely mounds with his palm and savoring the feel of...
4 years ago
Chapter Eleven: Mind-Controlled Teacher's Passion By mypenname3000 Copyright 2018 Justin Sampson I had such a cocky grin as I passed the “sewage worker.” He probably was a government agent, but he couldn't prove that I stopped time. That I was the source of the strange anomaly they were looking for. Nor could they figure out that my sister was the other one. It was clear they'd tracked it to my college, but there were hundreds of students here, and that didn't count the staff. So I...
3 years ago
Author’s note: The fireworks show HG talks about is in reference to a 4th of July flash I wrote for the Hot Flashes page, and can be found there. If it’s too much trouble to sort through, drop me an e-mail and I would be happy to send it to you. This story is the intellectual property of Frustrated, not to be duplicated, copied, or reproduced without the author’s express permission. Please e-mail me at the address in my profile with all complaints, comments, criticism, and naughty...
3 years ago
The man was saddened that his recently deceased wife had never had the opportunity to meet his daughters or that she had not lived long enough to see Brigitte or Ingrid again. Rebecca, Brigitte’s daughter had not come with them because she and her partner wanted to remain in Europe to run the 'Lotus Blossom’ and as the pictures he’d seen showed that her partner is very definitely female He believed that the club would continue to be a popular venue for the jaded rich. Until their own...