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“So, tell me how the counselling session went,” Mary Beth asked me.

We were sitting outside on the new redwood furniture, purchased just an hour or so ago this morning. Mary Beth and I had gone to Grace Brothers at Chatswood, looking at the outdoor furniture that we had seen advertised; but we weren’t all that impressed with it. They were too flimsy, and I was worried that as it was made from metal it would probably rust. We continued to look around the mall, and there was a ‘Pool and Spa’ store that had special pricing on outdoor redwood furniture. We settled on a round table, complete with built in ‘lazy susan’ and four benches, plus a cute two seater set where there was a seat either side of a small table – the salesman called it a ‘Jack and Jill’ setting. We bought those, plus some large shade umbrellas. Mary Beth waited at the shop’s loading bay while I drove back home, hitched up the trailer, and returned to the mall.

While I set the new acquisitions up on the paved area of the back yard, Mary Beth made lunch for the two of us; toasted ham and cheese sandwiches. Since it was a pleasant, sunny day, we decided to ‘christen’ the outdoor furniture by having lunch sitting out there eating. After setting out the furniture, I changed into a tee shirt; it was too hot to wear the long sleeved shirt that I had put on earlier. I then helped Mary Beth carry our meals out to the table; as well as the ham and cheese toasties, she had made a big jug of lemonade. The two of us were sitting opposite each other around the new table. The lemonade jug was sitting on the lazy Susan, and I poured myself a large glass of the ice-cold drink.

Of course, Fred was rather suspicious about the new additions to HIS yard, he sniffed around each item, jumping up on top of the round table, and eventually deciding it was acceptable. He curled up on the tabletop between the two seats on the Jack and Jill setting, and decided it was time for his midday nap. Cats have such a gruelling life.

“So, tell me how the counselling session went,” she asked me. “What stuff did you discuss, do you think it will help you?”

“It went well,” I said, and took a bite from my toasted sandwich. “Fuck! That cheese is hot!” I exclaimed as the melted cheese burned my lips and tongue.

“Well, it’s just come out of the toaster,” Mary Beth said. “Here, have something cold to drink, be careful with the food.”

She poured me a large glass of lemonade and I took several large sips of the drink, swirled it around in my mouth to sooth my tongue. It seemed to help.

“The session was good,” I said, once I could speak again. “It wasn’t at all like I expected; I guess I was expecting a stern woman, her hair pulled back severely, speaking with a German accent, ‘And ven did you furst schtart having sexual vantasies about vour muttar?’ while I was lying on a hard couch in a white, sterile room with bright lights overhead.”

“Now let me place ze electrodes on your genitals,” she said, faking a German accent, and trying not to laugh. “Zis won’t hurt a bit ... I promise.”

“You nutcase,” I said, as we both laughed.

“Actually, it was quite an enjoyable time,” I said.

I described Doctor Sleigh’s appearance, and the office; how it was nothing like I would have expected from a psychologist’s office. I then gave her a brief summary of what we talked about; how she first asked me why I thought I needed to see her; I told her how I was having difficulty dealing with things happening in my life. She then asked me to go back over the history of all my relationships.

“That would have taken a long time,” Mary Beth said, poking her tongue out.

“There have only been fifteen,” I said. “And look who’s talking, you’re not one to criticise me in that area!”

“Yeah, true. Sorry, I won’t interrupt again.”

I told her how she didn’t criticise me over the number or nature of my relationships, but then she threw me by asking how many of them I considered myself intimate with.

“Surely, if you’ve had sex with all of them, then you’re intimate with them,” she said. “I mean, you and I were intimate, very enjoyably so, the other day.”

“That’s what I thought, too, assuming ‘being intimate’ was a euphemism for ‘having sex with’. But she was asking how many of them I felt that I had a strong, emotional connection with, if you follow. I said only four; Lori, Megan, Allison and Jillian. She then challenged me by asking if I felt I was that emotionally close to both Lori and Megan, why was it that I was surprised when they said they were leaving me.

“That led to the first lesson, that it takes effort not just to build that emotional connection, but to maintain it. With everything else going on in my life, I had let that slide, with both Lori and Megan. She said that keeping that level of intimacy is hard enough where there are two people, but when you add more people into the mix, it requires a LOT of work.”

I told Mary Beth how we then addressed one of my other issues; how I tend to drift through life aimlessly, just letting things happen to me. She made a few suggestions, like making sure I maintain my daily journal, and also setting some high level, long term life goals.

“So, have you done that?” she asked me. “That shrink’s right, you do just drift through life, hoping that everything turns out well for you. What are your long term goals?”

“Well, I guess to get back to Uni, do my PhD, get a job lecturing there,” I said.

“Hmm, that’s interesting. All you mention is your professional career; nothing on your personal life; like where you might want to live, do you want to be married, have kids, anything with music or other hobbies and interests. Surely, there’s more you want to achieve than just a professional career? Where would you like to be living in, say, ten years’ time? Around here, or back in the inner city, or someplace else?”

“I think I would like to be living here, either in this house, or something similar,” I said. “There’s so much potential in this place, it would be rewarding to restore it, and the grounds to their former glory.”

“Uh huh. What about marriage, kids? Any thoughts? I mean, if you want to get married, have you thought about the type of woman you would want to marry? I guess it’s a pointed question, having just had Megan and Lori leave you, maybe you had assumed you would live together with both of them for years and years. Now, of all the girls and women you’ve been with, you’ve shared a place with, are there any that you would consider marrying? If so, why, and if not, why not?”

She was right; when it came to me, Mary Beth was almost always right, which was rather infuriating. I thought her suggestion was good, so I started going through all of the girls that I had been with.

“Okay, Cathy Parsons, no, I tried that twice, it was a disaster each time,” I said.

“You and her are too similar in your personalities; you’re both determined, both stubborn. That’s why a relationship between you two wouldn’t work,” she said, agreeing with me.

“Continuing on ... Janelle Ward, well, she’s fun for a quick fling, but I’m not sure if she would be good ‘wife’ material. Megan ... well, she’s left me to go overseas, but as you said, I would have been happy with her, long term. Same with your sister; I had assumed that the three of us would be long term partners.”

“Keep going,” she said.

“Jillian Winters, well ... if she hadn’t died, and the other two left, I could easily see myself with her, long term.”

“Even though you and she wouldn’t have been able to have children?” she asked.

“That wouldn’t have been an issue, I’m looking at life partners, not baby making machines.”

“Interesting,” she added. “Go on, there’s still lots more.”

“Okay; Wendy White, even though she and Patrick are married, I still wouldn’t have considered her. We just never clicked, if that makes sense. But Ros McCarthy ... well, she and Alonzo are the perfect match. But I would have considered her; we complemented each other pretty well. Same as Tracy, we are opposites personality-wise, but we did get on really well. Allison Thornton is another I would put in the ‘yes’ column. But at the moment, I want to keep her as a good, platonic friend.”

“That’s one of the most sensible things you’ve said all morning,” she added. “She’s been very good for you, good as a close friend.”

“Others that we shared with ... Claire, no way, we would kill each other within a week,” I said. “Mary Haggerty, Karen Phelan, no for both; just not my type.”

“Okay, there’s two names that you’ve skipped over,” she said. “Michelle Jones?”

“Michelle? I had never considered her, because she worked for Alonzo, and that complicated things. But, yes, I would consider her, she’s fun, we get on well.”

“She and you would be a good couple,” Mary Beth said.

“Who’s the other person?” I asked.

“Me,” she said softly.

“Oh. But you and Chris ... I mean, I’ve never really thought about us that way. And I didn’t want to include you in the discussion, I mean, telling you directly to your face.

“You can tell me what you think, I’m a big girl. Tell me whether you think you and I would be a good match; then I’ll tell you what I think.”

“Um ... well ... I’ve never really thought seriously about you and me as a couple,” I said, trying to stall for time.

“That’s because you’ve never really desired me,” she said. “I was never anything special to you.”

“That’s not what I meant ... for the last couple of years, you’ve been with Chris, so in my mind, that makes you ‘off limits’; I didn’t want to cut in on him, or even think about that.”

“We’re talking hypotheticals here; assume we’re both available, free ... would you consider me?”

“Well, yes, I would; I can’t think of any reason why I wouldn’t,” I said. “We both now know that we’re pretty good in bed together.”

“That we are, Will, that we are,” she said, smiling at me. “And we’re going to remind ourselves of that over the rest of the weekend. But there’s more to a relationship that just mind-blowing sex.”

“Yes, I know that. So what’s your verdict on us?”

“I would put us in the same situation as you and Cathy Parsons; you and I have very similar personalities; we’re both strong-willed, stubborn, inflexible. We would spend all of our time butting heads.”

“Yeah, I guess you’re right,” I said. Marry Beth was always right; and I guess the fact that I thought that way spelled problems for a long term relationship with her.

“What was interesting to me, with the list you came up with,” she said, “was that the girl’s physical appearance didn’t seem to affect your decision. Short, tall, small titties, big boobs; that wasn’t important to you. What did really surprise me was that even though the two of you would never be able to have kids, you still had Jillian on the list of those you would marry. I thought that having kids would be important to you.”

“Well, it’s a moot point now,” I said. “But I would be marrying someone that I loved, someone who loved me. Kids would be a secondary consideration. I’m not looking for a baby-making machine.

“I remember when I was in primary school, one of my friends lived in the next street; his parents were always fighting. I was around there one day, and they were screaming at each other. He said ‘mum and dad are always fighting’, as if it was nothing out of the ordinary. His father eventually left her for another woman, and she and the kids moved away. I don’t want to have a family life like that.”

“I guess we were pretty lucky, having a nice, stable family environment. Not counting when Dad was away in Vietnam, of course. But there was never any fighting, nothing like that.”

“Same with me,” I said.

“Now, we’ve made a start on your life goals,” she said. “What else did the counsellor cover?”

“I think I’ve covered pretty much all of it; the goals, keeping a daily journal, making sure I concentrate on the emotional intimacy side of a relationship, before the sex side.”

She stood up, picked up an old blanket that she had brought outside with her, and spread that on the ground next to the table. She took my hands, and had me lie down on the blanket, after first pulling my shorts and undies down.

“Maybe we can start to develop some of that over this weekend,” she said, as she straddled my waist.

She was naked underneath her short skirt, and I could feel her moist pussy pressing against my prick.

“So, how do we get that emotional closeness?” she said. “What if I tell you about my time here, when we first came to Australia? Unless there’s anything else you want to do?”

She rubbed herself along my prick; I could feel myself getting harder underneath her pussy.

“No ... talking would be good,” I managed to say.

“It took me a long time to fit in, when we first came to Australia,” she said. “I didn’t know anyone at the school, I wasn’t in any of the established groups. It was so different from how it was back in the States; I had just come from my sophomore year, and we had around four hundred kids in my year alone. The school was so different, words and sayings were unfamiliar, and I felt really lost and alone. Then I got into a group of others, and I had to really work hard to attract guys’ attentions; until I realized that none of the other girls would let them do more than just kiss. Well, I let one guy go ‘all the way’; it was my first time, but it wasn’t all that bad, actually, I enjoyed it.

“Word quickly got around, ‘the new Yankee girl roots like a rattlesnake’, and I was accepted fully into the group. All I had to do was spread my legs and let the guys screw me. Well, putting in that way makes it sound like I was abused; I wasn’t. I wanted the sex, I enjoyed it. Some of it was terrible, some was good, a few guys were actually fantastic. But I got the reputation as a slut, I guess. That’s what scared you off, back when you started going with Lori? I flashed my pussy at you, I wanted you to at least try to do things with me.

“I continued being ‘the easy girl’ when I got to Uni; then one morning I woke up in my bed; I guess I had been fucked by I don’t know how many guys; my pussy was aching and bruised, and I was covered with dried come. I decided that was it, no more being the easy lay. I gave up sex completely until I had moved back to Sydney, and Chris asked me out. He was so patient, so caring and nice ... nothing like any of the other guys I had been with before. Then I tried again with you; that time when you were recovering from that panic attack and your heart problems. I was looking after you at home, you were in bed, Lori was away sailing somewhere, and I thought you’d jump at the chance for some hot sex with me. You turned me down – you were the first guy EVER to turn down sex with Mary Beth Earle – ‘Easy Earle’. I was shattered, I felt totally rejected.

“I came to realize that you weren’t rejecting me completely, just the way that I had approached you. But I tried to be more subtle, and you just ignored me. I even spoke to Lori about whether I might have sex with you; she was cool with it, but told me that I would have to talk with you and Chris about it. Anyway, we know all of that stuff, we talked about that the other day.”

“And I hope you don’t think that I’m not attracted to you, or that I don’t like you,” I said.

“I know that now,” she said, and rubbed her pussy along my prick. “I can feel how much you like me, too! Maybe he’s getting a little squashed between us? What if I move him so he’s somewhat more comfortable?”

She raised her body slightly, and my prick sprang straight up. She reached underneath her body, gripped my prick, and positioned my knob right against her opening. She slid down onto my shaft, and sighed loudly as I spread her cunt open.

“Oh, God, that’s so good!”

She rode me fast and hard, grunting each time she slammed her body down onto mine.

“Stick your hands up my shirt, I want you to play with my titties,” she said.

I slid my hands up inside her shirt; she was braless, and her lovely, small pert breasts were just waiting for my hands to cup them and for me to play with her erect nipples. Maybe that’s why I loved tiny breasts; their owners would usually go braless all the time, and I enjoyed it when they would give me a sneaky peek of a nipple (or two). Plus, I loved the excitement, the surprise feeling of sliding my hands up inside a girl’s shirt to find a pair of unfettered breasts.

Mary Beth was really going to town; she was fucking me pretty fast and furious; grunting and groaning each time she slid down on my cock. She had even disturbed Fred; who cast one baleful eye on us, then ran off to a quieter part of the yard. I couldn’t help myself, I started laughing at Fred’s actions.

“What’s so funny?” Mary Beth said, stopping her movements.

“Fred! We disturbed his midday snooze,” I said. “He gave me a filthy look before running off.”

“Damn cat! He’s almost made me lose the mood!”

Mary Beth hadn’t lost the mood completely, she resumed riding up and down; she leant back and held onto my knees, exposing the top of her slit and her clit to me. I moved one hand away from a breast to rub her clit, and used a finger to rub around her nub. She closed her eyes, and cried out softly as she came. She didn’t stop fucking me; once her orgasm had finished, she resumed fucking with long, slow strokes up and down.

I held her hips, moving up and down in sync with her, and when I felt my own orgasm starting, I pushed up hard inside her, and held her tightly to my crotch. As I spurted into her, she sighed softly and I felt her vagina squeezing around my shaft.

“Still worked well, despite Fred’s disapproval,” Mary Beth said, as she slid off me. “Now, did you have any thoughts as to what we can do this weekend?” she asked.

“Not really, but it has gotten off to a great start,” I replied.

“It certainly has, I wanted to do that outside in the yard. Which brings me to my suggestion; we should try to ‘christen’ every room in the house; kind of like what you and Lori did when you first moved into the cottage in George Street. We did your bedroom the other night, now we’ve done the back yard, there’s another nine rooms to go, plus the front veranda. We could try for the studio, too, if we have time. Plus, I want us to do a lot more talking about ourselves; so we can learn a lot about each other.”

“Sounds good to me; even though you’re right about us not being suited for a long term, serious relationship, I would like us to develop that same emotional intimacy that I have with Allison,” I said. “Now, can I ask you a fairly personal question, you don’t have to answer me, if you think I’m out of line, say so.”

“Go on.”

“The other day, when we made love the first time, you know, when I thought you were Lori, you said ‘I love you, Will’, twice. Was that just you keeping up the pretence of being Lori, or...”

“Or did I really mean what I said, that I, as myself, that I love you? Is that what you want to know?”

I nodded my head.

“Of course I love you, Will, I hoped that was obvious. Maybe I’ve concentrated too much on the sex ... but yes, I meant that when I said I love you. You also said that to me, but maybe you still thought I was Lori.”

“Well, initially I thought you were Lori, but notwithstanding, I love you, Mary Beth. I love you as yourself, not as a stand in for your sister.”

“I love you, Will.”

She leant over me, and kissed me softly, her lips were warm, moist. Her tongue slid between my lips, seeking my tongue. Our kissing became harder, more passionate, and Mary Beth started to run her hands over my chest. I cupped my hands around her backside, and rubbed a finger along the crack between her buttocks. She broke away, and sat next to me.

“You’re going to get me all worked up again, and before we do that, there’s something that I wanted to tell you,” she said, her face red and flushed. “Promise me you won’t tell a soul; no one else knows what I’m about to tell you, not even Chris.”

“Sure, I’ll keep it to myself.”

“I’m pretty sure; almost a hundred percent that in the next month, Chris is going to propose to me; and we’ll be getting married before Christmas.”

“Wow! That’s really great for you,” I said.

“I’ve suspected all along he’ll do that, wanting to time our wedding for when I’ve finished my degree. But before I agree to marry him, I need to get something resolved in my head, just to make sure I’m doing the right thing. It’s hard for me to say this in the right way, but even though I know that you and I would be terrible together, for the reasons I’ve said ... there’s still a lingering thought in the back of my mind, just how would it be to be with you ... to have you there making love with me every day, every night.

“It must sound pretty tacky of me, almost like I’m using you for one final weekend of wild, uninhibited sex before I commit to him ... like I’m trying to have one final fling as ‘slutty Mary Beth’, using you like that, just to get my rocks off with you. God, when I say that, it make me sound so cheap, so shallow...”

“You’re not cheap, you’re not shallow, and you’re certainly not a slut. I can understand perfectly why you’re wanting to do this; it’s a huge decision you’re going to be making, probably the most important decision of your life, and you want to be as sure as you possibly can that you’re making the right decision.

“But what you think Murph ... Chris is planning, if the two of you end up married, well, I will be really, really happy for the two of you. I think it’s pretty obvious to everyone who sees you that you are meant for each other, that you really love each other, and ... well, I’m sure you being married to him would work out far better than being with me. As you said, we would be constantly arguing and fighting with each other, and the only question is which one of us would kill the other first!”

“Do you think I’d let you get me before I would have a chance to kill you?” she said.

She kissed me again, long and passionately.

“Thank you for being so understanding. Now, about that list of rooms to christen, are you up for one? I thought we could start at the back, with the sunroom, and work our way through the place.”

She pulled me up and led me back into the house. We looked around the sunroom to find a suitable place, she pushed me down into the cane love seat by the back window, and knelt on the seat astride me. She lowered herself onto me, and rode up and down, slowly this time. It took a while before I came; she had two orgasms before I was able to come, and a third one as I spurted into her.

“One down, eight to go,” she said, and then listed the remaining locations. “Shower?”

She stood up, helped me to my feet, and we went into the bathroom. While we waited for the warm water to start, we cuddled and caressed each other, standing on the tile floor. Once in the shower, we washed each other; and Mary Beth paid particular attention to soaping my prick, making sure I was very clean there. When she had rinsed the soap off me, she turned around, facing the wall and leant over, inviting me to enter her. We fucked in the shower, water streaming over us until I told her I was too exhausted to continue.

“We should probably rest up,” she said. “There’s more that we have to do today.”

When we were dry, we went to the living room; not bothering to get dressed. Mary Beth put some music on the record player; and we lay on the padded bench in the bay window, our heads touching.

“Your turn to tell me all about your life,” she said. “I’ve told you part of my story; I want to know more about you.”

I told her all about growing up in Mona Vale; the years at infants and primary school, my introduction to music, first playing the recorder flute, then getting piano lessons. I told her how I would ride my bike around to friends’ places after school or on the weekends, in summer a bunch of us would hang out at the beach. She was interested in how I first fell for Cathy, and when I told her how we included both Lori and Janelle, she asked me whose idea I thought that was; Cathy’s or Lori’s. I said that I assumed it was Cathy’s idea, and Mary Beth just smiled. When I told her about my ‘dalliance’ with Janelle, and how Cathy and I first broke up, she looked slightly angry. Her anger increased when I told her about the subsequent summer, first how she almost caught Lori and I about to have sex in the driveway, and then the big blow-up with Janelle, telling me that Cathy dumped me because I wouldn’t have sex with her.

“That Janelle Ward is nothing but trouble, Will,” she said. “I’m glad she’s away from you, up in Newcastle where she can’t cause any more trouble. She’s poison, that girl.”

“Well, I did sort of lead her on,” I said.

“Still, there’s no excuse for the line ‘if you love me you’ll do it to me’; if I guy said that to a girl, everyone would tell him off. But you think it was right for her to say that to you? She really fucked you up saying and doing what she did; and that’s probably why you now seem to equate having sex with someone to loving them.”

I didn’t respond, mainly because I suspected somehow she was right; Mary Beth was always right when it came to me. I continued my story, telling her about Lori and me taking the boat out to the harbour, and the argument over her deception with the pill.

“God! That fucking idiot of a sister of mine! Earlier that summer, she had spoken to me about you, and I had told her to go for it, not to keep putting you off, but to have sex, to make love with you. She wanted it, I assume you wanted it, and there was no reason for her not to have sex with you. I should have been more emphatic with her.”

“But her fear was that somehow I would eventually end up with Cathy again, and she didn’t want her heart to get broken over that. As it was, she was right, like all of you Earle women are concerning me.”

“Bullshit! If you had made love, then you and Lori would have been together, and there would have been no opportunity for Cathy to steal you back. Lori brought that on herself. Fucking idiot of a sister!”

“Anyway, that led to Megan and I realizing that we had a real emotional connection; I guess that’s what made our musical performances together so good,” I said.

Mary Beth laughed at all the events that conspired to prevent Megan and me actually making love; particularly when we were almost caught by the police down near the beach.

“I think though,” she said, “had you really, really wanted to make love to her, you would have found a way around all those issues. I suspect there was some deep mental block holding you back.”

When I told her how Cathy and I got back together, and when we told Lori, how she hit me, Mary Beth just shook her head.

“Will, Will, sometimes you’re just so ... so fucking stupid!” she exclaimed. “Why, oh why would you go back to Cathy after the way she treated you. Even Janelle Ward would have been better for you than her. But you had Megan begging for you, Lori wanted you, she just needed a push to get her over her fears. As smart as you are, you do some incredible dumb things at times.”

“Yeah, well, I guess looking back, it’s easy to see how I fucked up. But, hindsight is always twenty / twenty.”

The conversation moved onto that summer; my first time with Cathy, the ill-fated ‘contest’ having sex in all locations around Warringah, then Hannah and Jenny before they left for overseas, and finally Janelle. The last three at Lori’s insistence; explaining how I needed to prepare for when Cathy moved to Canberra, and how it’s possible to love more than one person at a time.

“She was laying the ground for ending up with you,” Mary Beth said. “She had learned her lesson. I can only hope that farewell fuck with Janelle got her out of your system, and out of her clutches. But I doubt it.”

When I told her about the first time Megan and I made love, her eyes went all misty.

“Was it everything you had hoped it would be?” she asked. “After waiting over twelve months, and with everything that had gone on, it sounds like you finally found someone that was right for you.”

I continued with my first year at Uni; Megan, Cathy dumping me again, the car accident (but NOT the sex with Beth Ward), and how Lori and I eventually got together, making love in front of the fireplace in my parent’s family room.

“Something the two of you should have done years earlier,” she said. “Probably a difficult, and unfair question, but which time was better, the first time when Megan, or the first time with Lori?”

“God, I don’t know. Both of those times were very special, I really can’t tell which was better. I guess that’s why the three of us ended up in a relationship together.”

That pretty much took me up to the time when Mary Beth moved back to Sydney, and into the terrace house with the rest of us. She wanted to know more about my musical career, how I first started with Paul, Phil and Andrew, and my stint with Salamon.

“Thanks for sharing all of that,” she said. “I think I’m starting to know you a bit better. Now, let’s try a fun exercise; have you ever done any yoga?”

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It took me a few minutes to fully wake up, even with the alarm radio going off. Ten a.m.? Why had I slept so late? I finally remembered, last night, actually, earlier this morning at Janelle’s place, we had decided to resume our relationship. I could have even stayed there, sleeping with her, but I would have felt a bit uncomfortable when we got up if Beth was around. I knew Janelle had said that her mother was happy, even encouraging us to get together, but I still felt a bit strange about...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 31 Presents

I picked Cathy up from her house just after 8:30; as she slid into seat she gave me a big, passionate kiss. “Where to first?” she asked. “I was thinking about Warriewood,” I replied, as we headed up Mona Vale road. “There are lots of places there, provided we don’t trespass on one of the market gardens.” We headed up a side street from McPherson Street, towards the Catholic girl’s school, “Mater Maria”. Being school holidays, the place was deserted, of course. We parked under a tree,...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 32 Another Year Ends

There was only another five weeks of classes before the end of the semester; well, before the study break that led into the exams that would be the end of the semester. We all found that time had a habit of shrinking; at the start of each semester, the end of the semester and the exams seemed so distant ... but before we realized it, there was only a matter of weeks left; and a pile of assignments and projects to complete. Having David, Claire and even Garry living next door made the study...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 42 University Ends

I had already planned my work schedule for my thesis; the date that the completed documents had to be submitted to the Faculty’s review committee were fixed, so I worked back from that date. I would have to work out the best way to produce the master copy of the thesis; I could always use Lori’s electric typewriter; but I thought it might be worthwhile playing around with the troff / nroff document processing software we had on the Unix system here. One of the PhD students was writing a...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 47 Service NSW

When I woke up, I gathered some documents to show to John about how we would tackle the project. My main aim with today’s meeting was ‘project qualification’, that is, to get more details about John’s requirements, what were the key deliverables and results that he wanted to see, plus some feeling on what was he felt was a reasonable budget and timeframe for the project. I was also wanting to get some idea about how the project would run; what accommodation would be provided, would there be...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 4 Moving on Out

We woke up with the alarm; made love, had a shower together, then ate breakfast before we drove into Surry Hills and the recording studio. When we reached the studio; I parked at the side in the loading area, and went inside looking for George. We found him in the administration office, speaking with a brunette. “Hey, Will, good to see ya, Mate,” he said. “And this is...” he asked, looking at Lori. “You remember my girlfriend, Lori?” I said to him. “Of course, I remember now. Will, here’s...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 25 WTM Consulting

The lead up to the end of the semester was busy – really busy. Not only did we have to get ready for the contract with Alexa’s company, preparing the ‘Banksia Room’ as our computer staging area, tweaking the training notes from the university to suit the contract, but there were examinations to prepare for – not that I had any, the last two ‘Science and Society’ subjects had their assessments based on the assignments and class work. But I still had to vet the papers, make sure the questions...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 36 I Got You Babe

It was late on Saturday morning when I woke up, still feeling down in the dumps. I looked at the clock next to me bed; 9:30 am. I guessed Cathy would already be on the road; they wanted an early start, getting to Goulburn for lunch, and then on to Canberra by early afternoon. She hoped to get everything up in her dorm room before dinner time. I deliberately averted my eyes from the photo of her on my desk; the fact that it was Valentine’s Day didn’t make me feel any better. After a quick...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 22 Off to the Race

It took a while for us to wake up on Christmas morning, by the time we had all cast off our sleep it was close to eight; leaving little time before the others arrived for some yule-tide fucking. Just enough time to have a shower, and start to prepare things for breakfast. Lori had suggested we make pancakes; scrambled eggs, toast, coffee and her ‘home fries’. After we had finished our showers, I started to prepare the potatoes for the home fries; peeling them, dicing them, and chopping up...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 33 Performances Part 2

After our early morning love-making, shower and breakfast, I dropped Cathy off at the bus stop. She wasn’t sure just how late she would be working, and I suggested that she let me know maybe 45 minutes before she was due to finish, and I could drive in and pick her up, to save dealing with the night time buses. At Mike’s, we started talking about the actual sets we would play. “We want to start off with something to really get them going,” Mike said. “Something to kick them in the balls, so...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 10 Party Party Party

Thursday night we were having a Thanksgiving dinner at Mary Beth’s suggestion; instead of a complete turkey, which would have been far too much food even for the seven of us, she had baked two large turkey breasts in the oven. Patrick had helped, making some traditional side dishes, a green bean casserole, and somehow he had found a source of candied yams. As we sat around the dinner table, Mary Beth spoke to us all. “Well, I know Thanksgiving isn’t really an Australian tradition, but it is...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 29 ChCh Changes

With the New Year’s Eve only a few days away, we spent the Saturday afternoon reviewing the set lists for that gig. We had been asked to play for a total of four hours – well, four fifty minute sets, with a ten minute break between them. Then at midnight, we would lead everyone in singing ‘Auld Lang Syne’, then play a final thirty minute set before calling it a night. It was going to be a pretty intense, tiring evening, and right after that we would have to travel to Gosford for the first...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 44 Unexpected Results

We pulled up in the car park for Lilianfels, it was more in Katoomba itself than Leura, close to Echo Point lookout and the Three Sisters. It wasn’t all that far from some of the other scenic lookouts over the Jamison Valley, or some fairly energetic walks, including the ‘Giant Stairway’, some 800 or so steps descending into the valley. There were some more leisurely walks, including one around the cliff top to the ‘scenic railway’, and Katoomba falls, or the other way to the Leura Cascades....

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 23 Welcome to Gresham Terrace

“Mr. Morris, glad to see you’re awake and back with us. I am Doctor David Pickett, and I’m one of the cardiologists here at the Prince of Wales hospital. I guess you’re wondering what it was that happened to you? First, I need to make sure you understand just how the human heart works; it’s basically a pump whose purpose is to circulate blood around the body.” I nodded; that was pretty basic human anatomy. “The blood carries oxygen and nutrients to the rest of the body, and also carries...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 34 Murder and Music

Lori was overjoyed to have us back home; as was Tracy. Even though we tried to be quiet, we woke them as we got into bed. Despite being tired, we made love, and then I slept soundly until nine in the morning. I would have preferred to have gone back to sleep, but I had to get across to the university to enrol. I grabbed a quick breakfast, got my organizer folder from the study, and drove across to the University. I parked behind the Electrical Engineering building, and went up to Professor...

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The Three Signs Book 0 Background

Series Introduction Praeludium The Guardians Report February, 1971 All of the senior Guardian Spirits who were responsible for watching over Australia were gathered in ... well, somewhere in a parallel dimension. Where they were wasn’t important, but the subject of their meeting was. They had gathered to discuss the findings from a major ‘data gathering’ exercise; what was essentially a survey of the subconscious opinions and views of all twelve and a half million people living in...

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The Three Signs Book 3 JanelleChapter 9 Engagement and

After a busy few weeks filled with gigs most nights of the week, it was back at University. The fibre optic installation was proceeding; there had been a few minor issues, but the company supplying and installing the cable had worked around them. The University – mainly through the School of Physics – had a long term relationship with Crown Corning; they had worked together on a number of projects, particularly in developing reliable connectors for their single mode fibre. The first set of...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 1 Joining the Australia Dream

“Hey, Will. Paul Ramos here,” the voice on the phone said. “I guess you’re at home at the moment, I called your office at the University, but that cute short girl in your office said you weren’t in over the summer break.” “Paul, comrade. Great to hear from you,” I replied. “No, I’m taking a couple of weeks off; we’ve got a bunch of gigs heading up to Christmas, and into January too. So, to what do I owe the pleasure?” “I’ve got a proposal I’d like to discuss with you; are you going to be...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 54 Reboot

The words that Mary Beth was saying to me somehow didn’t register, everything after the ‘she’s dead, Will ... she was drowned in the floodwaters’ was just noise. I understood what she told me, the troubling dreams I had experienced the night before made sense. There was a loud rushing in my head, and I was wracked with loud sobs. I was aware of Traci standing next to me, her arms around my shoulders, and Mary Beth was on the phone, talking to someone. “Let’s get you down to bed, Will,” Mary...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 27 Back at University

Just as everyone had warned me; second year electrical engineering was full on, right from the first day. In each of the subjects, the lecturers didn’t waste time reviewing what we might have studied in the previous year; it was head first into the deep end. I had some doubts about one of the subjects; Solid State Physics. To me, this looked like the sort of subject material that graduate students at Oxford University or MIT would cover; quantum mechanics, atomic particles, and similar...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 10 Sweet Sixteen

I was half awake, and remembering that I was in Dianne’s old bedroom at Cathy’s place, I rolled over to look at the clock next to the bed. 5:30! Far too early to get up; but I needed to have a pee, so I quietly crept out of bed and into the hall, not wanting to disturb anyone. I tiptoed down the hallway, and tried to open the bathroom door quietly. Not being completely familiar with the house yet, I had already started to open the door when I remembered about the squeaky hinges. Oh well, too...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 39 Songs of Injustice

With the wedding out of the way, we got back into the work on the songs for the new album, as well as various gigs around the place. They were starting to take shape, but the real challenge was to ensure that the songs were musically as good as our previous work, and could stand alone as rock songs. We didn’t want the lyrics to be too ‘preachy’ and turn people off. There’s no point in making a protest song, if people don’t like it and refuse to listen to it. After my talk with Alonzo’s...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 16 Babies and Bullets

“It’s on,” Mary Beth said. “Their baby is on the way!” “Oh, I had better get up to the hospital then,” Mrs. White said. “Where should I put my case?” I showed Mrs. White where her bedroom would be; told her that this afternoon we would get the bed made with fresh sheets, and put some towels out for her. Mary Beth was ready to take her up to the hospital; I would clean the bedroom and make her bed with some fresh sheets. At least the room was ready for her when she returned from the...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 33 Summertime Tours

We spent the morning going over the ‘Sister Angela’ scenario with Lori; she wrote down all of the lines that we could recall, our descriptions of what happened overnight, even my rather sacrilegious thoughts on nun-fucking. While Megan and I would be out of town on the tour, Tracy and Lori would flesh out the story, even starting to write it. Around lunchtime some of the others returned home; Mary Beth was pleased to see us. She showed us the final schedule for the first country tour, we...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 7 Four in a Boat

The next day, Sunday, I spent time playing the piano and swimming in the pool. After dinner, I walked down to church; hoping Cathy would be there. I wasn’t disappointed; both she and David were there; David, of course, sitting with Gina. “How was your lunch?” I asked. “Not too bad,” Cathy replied. “But I kept thinking about what we may do tomorrow. Are you sure you are comfortable with being with the other two as well?” “Yes, but can we talk about it afterwards?” I said. “You don’t have to...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 38 Bicentennial Year ndash Part 2

For our visit to Brisbane for our week-long gig at Expo, most of the people were flying, leaving Sydney early on Saturday morning for the hour and a half flight to Brisbane. Lisa and I were taking the train, the XPT left Central at 2:40 pm on Friday, getting into the main station in Brisbane just before 5:00 am on Saturday. We had booked a sleeper cabin for the trip, and the return journey would leave Brisbane just before 6:00 am in the following Sunday, arriving at Central just after 8:00...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 11 Friends and Lovers

I was dreaming, I must have been, lying in my bed, when I felt a person slide under the sheets next to me. A hand slid over my mouth, and I heard a voice whisper in my ear. “Quiet, don’t make a noise,” she said. “I just want to lie next to you for a while, and feel our bodies together.” Lori? It couldn’t be her, but it certainly felt real; her body was pressed against my back, and I could feel her warm breath on my cheek. My buttocks were hard against her lower stomach. “Lori?” I started...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 7 Itrsquos Just a Casual Encounter

Don’t ask me what my name is I know what your game is It’s just a casual encounter It’s just a casual encounter It’s just a casual encounter Christina Amphlett & Mack McEntee Free Falling Late September, 1982 I landed with a hard thump on the ground, knocking all the air out of my lungs. I felt a stabbing pain in my shoulder, and then more pain as my foot slammed against the back wall of the house. I heard Lisa scream, and come running towards me. “Everyone! Help, please! Will’s...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 31 Second Semester

On the last day of July, we took Alonzo, Paul and Patrick to the airport. At least for Patrick and Wendy, it was only a temporary separation, he would be back in two weeks’ time; but for Ros it was a very tearful farewell. The five months before Alonzo was back for his sabbatical job teaching at the University would really drag out for her. Patrick said that one of his first projects would be to get a remote data link set up in our study going back to the office at St. Leonards, ostensibly so...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 2 Lori Finally

“Hi Lori, Will here,” I said when she answered. “Will Morris, where have you been these last four days?” she yelled down the phone line. “I’ve been worried sick about you; every time I called it was just that stupid machine, I even drove around to see if you were at home; your car was in the garage, but there was no answer. What have you been doing?” I told her briefly that on Monday morning, I had been hit by a car as I was crossing the street. I quickly told her that I hadn’t been badly...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 52 Developments in Canberra

Late December 1996 – January 1997 We had the big Christmas Day party at Banksia Lodge, much as we had done in previous years. My father again played ‘Santa Claus’, handing out presents to all the children present. On Boxing Day, we watched the televised start of the Sydney to Hobart yacht race, there were some impressive boats; a huge Reichel/Pugh maxi, owned by the head of the software company SAP. ‘Morning Glory’ was first out of the harbour, followed by ‘Condor of Currabubula’,...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 13 Lazy Days of Summer

Cathy and I had a late breakfast on Sunday morning; it was still overcast outside, and looked like there could be more rain later in the day. Actually, despite having slept together the whole night – just sleeping, too – our mood was a sombre as the weather. “I miss her already, you know,” Cathy said out of the blue. I didn’t have to ask Cathy who ‘her’ was; I was also feeling sad at not being able to be with Lori for the next few weeks. “Me too,” I said. “How come Janelle gets to go with...

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The Three Signs Book 3 JanelleChapter 7 The New Album Takes Shape

After the New Year’s Eve gig, we had a very lazy New Year’s Day. I think I slept in until close to noon; and did nothing that afternoon until Janelle came around just before dinner time. Or breakfast time for her ... stupid shift hours. We had time for a quickie, before she had to eat, and get ready for work. She promised that she would spend more time with me over the weekend. With the New Year’s gig out of the way, it was time to concentrate on the extensive schedule that Fifa had for us...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 17 Interviews

We pressed the intercom button, a voice answered and we said who we were and that we were there to see Bob Hudson to appear on his show. A minute later a man came to the door, unlocked it, and let us in. “G’day, I’m Marius, Bob’s producer. Come on in, you’re all a bit early, but we can go up to the studio,” he said. He led us up two flights of stairs, down a dimly lit corridor, and into the control room or the studio. The place looked like it was a dump, there were boxes piled in the...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 23 Senior High School

My lips were so close to Cathy’s; I could feel her breath on me. Her eyes looked directly into mine, and I felt a huge yearning. I was about to pull her to me, letting my lips lock on hers, wanting to feel her tongue against mine, when I stopped myself, realising what was happening. “Think, William Morris, use your head, don’t blindly rush in!” I heard a voice in my head. “Don’t you remember what you told yourself, what you told Lori? You know what will happen if you give in to your desires,...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 28 Towards the Final Exams

The August school holidays were only three weeks away; these were going to be the last break before the HSC exams at the end of October. At lunchtime one day, we were all discussing the plans we had for the two weeks off school. “Well, I’ll be going over all of the previous exam papers,” Cathy said. Some of the others groaned, called her ‘swot’. David wasn’t being anywhere near as studious as his sister; he had arranged to take a train up to the Gold Coast to renew his acquaintance with his...

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 10 My Baby Just Cares For Me

We managed to get all of our stuff into the back of the car; but it meant all four of us had to squeeze into the front seat. We worked it out; Megan sat in the centre next to me, then Lori was on the outside, with Jillian on her lap. At least it didn’t take all that long to drive back to Mona Vale, where we dropped Megan and Jillian off with their bags, before heading to Lori’s place. On the drive back to Mona Vale Megan told us about her experiences with the publicity photo shoot yesterday...

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The Three Signs Book 3 JanelleChapter 6 Rockin The Antler

“I have no idea what’s got into my sister,” Mary Beth said as she sat across the table from me. Since this Monday would be the last time for over a month that Mary Beth and I would be able to have our regular lunch date, I had made a point of catching a bus into the city to meet her. Rather than eat at our usual location at the Quay, we had gone to a nice steakhouse in Phillip Street; just a short distance up from her office in Macquarie Street. It was going to be an expensive meal, but I...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 34 Farewells

I pulled up in the driveway of Jenny’s place, and knocked on the front door. Jenny answered; pulled me inside, wrapped her arms around me, and kissed me deeply, even before I had a chance to put my stuff down. When she finally released me, I asked her where I could hang up my clothes for the evening, and she led me down the hallway to her room. Hannah was waiting there; she was just wearing a long white tee shirt, sitting on the double bed with her legs curled up underneath her. “So, how...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 32 Party Games

After our overnight cruise to Castle Lagoon, we discussed where we might take our next cruise. One option was to go up to Lake Macquarie, we could go up for a few days at the start of the mid-semester break; I would have to be back in time to take the midday train to Canberra for my Labor Party policy steering committee meeting. But with some planning, we could sail up on the Friday afternoon, reach the Swansea bridge at high tide, spend the next three days exploring the lake, and return to...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 35 Hello CSE Goodbye Tommy

“Good morning, I am Doctor Will Morris,” I said to the assembled class. “I assume you are all here for subject 6.710, Introduction to Computer Engineering. If anyone is in the wrong place, I suggest now you leave quietly, and get to wherever it is you should be.” I looked around the lecture theatre, there were maybe two hundred and fifty people, none of whom looked like leaving. Most of them had been in the previous lecture, the introductory lecture for Computing 1A. The challenge we had...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 12 Changes in Foursomes

After the great Election Day results, Lisa and I had a fun day sailing; it was a Quartet Bowl race, our favourite. Lisa steered us to another win across the line; we were looking good for a first place in the series. On the way home, Lisa asked me what my thoughts were about Georgina. “You know she wants to sleep with us,” she said. “And both Fiona and I would like to sleep with her, too.” “I guess that’s two votes out of three in favour for it already,” I said. “No, that’s not how it...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 9 Watching the Yacht Race

I woke up early, feeling slightly disoriented until I realised where I was – in Cathy’s old bedroom, at the Parsons’s place, where she had slept until she took over Dianne’s room. It wasn’t yet six o’clock, and I could hear the sounds of the surf through the open window. Elsewhere in the house, all was quiet. I suspected Mr and Mrs Parsons would be sleeping in, and I didn’t know what time David returned, but I was well and truly asleep when he did. I was lying there, wondering whether to get...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 38 Epilogue

Monday morning was dismal, pouring with rain, and I was waiting to hear from Cathy. She should have arrived home last night, and I thought she would have called me then. Maybe she got in late, and was tired, I told myself. By mid-morning, I hadn’t heard anything, and I was going to call her, when I saw the mail arrive. There was a break in the persistent rain, so I walked down to the letter box to see what had arrived. There was a letter for me; in Cathy’s writing, postmarked from Wednesday....

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The Three Signs Book 2 LoriChapter 36 University Third Year Part 1

I woke up refreshed and excited about the start of the new semester; once I had finished breakfast, and packed my notes and papers for the day’s lectures in my backpack, it was on my bike for the quick ride across to the campus. The first two sessions were the introductory lecture for Numerical Analysis, and a tutorial session; it looked to be pretty interesting (at least for a mathematics subject), the material that we would cover seemed quite interesting. The lecturer, Doctor Opie, appeared...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 9 Parks and Parties

The weeks leading up to the final exams were busy; not just studying for the two exams that I had, but helping Fiona get her internship report finished and ready for submission; last minute coaching for some of my students, and trying to fend off a potential war between some people at Sydney University and other participants in the AARNET project. Independent of the AARNET project, Sydney University had developed a simple store-and-forward network, but they wanted to use the country-level...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 28 Touring

There were several additions to the entourage; Robyn and Sally were coming, along with their two kids; and of course the other two young kids, Bruce and Rachel’s son, Robert, and Andrew and Mandy’s daughter, Debbie would be coming along. Given that all four kids were a bit over a year old, they really couldn’t be left behind, and neither Paul nor Phil wanted to be away from their wives and kids for the three weeks. I could see in the future organizing tours like this one would become more...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 4 Building Relationships

February saw life start to return to normal. Back at Uni, we started to prepare for the upcoming semester. Preliminary enrolment figures for Computing I indicated we would have slightly over three hundred full time students, and another sixty or so in the part time class. During the summer break another large room had been equipped with terminals connected to the Department’s PDP 11/70, which had also been upgraded with additional memory and disk storage. As well, another 11/40 had been...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 4 Photography

As Cathy and I had agreed, we spent the next few days apart. I did my piano grade exam practice for several hours each day, it was boring, but it had to be done. We did speak to each other every night to talk about the things we had done that day. The rain that had cleared on Monday afternoon had returned, so we would not have been able to do much outside anyway. Actually, thinking about it, may have led to more inside activities, including more of what we might discover in Cathy’s copy of...

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The Three Signs Book 1 CathyChapter 15 Partings

After the first month or so of school, memories of the summer holidays had faded quickly. The study workload had increased dramatically, and I was glad I had taken the time to set myself a strict program. With schoolwork, practice for my next piano grade exam, and rehearsals and playing at the Mirage, Friday nights were my only regular free time. After the blow-up with Katey Jackson, I didn’t bother going to the youth group meetings on Sunday nights, which gave me some time to get things...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 48 Winners and Losers

“Hey, Will, it’s Martin here,” the person on the phone said. “Just a reminder, it’s coming up time for your company’s Annual General Meeting, and there’s a few ideas I want to run past you.” He suggested it was time we appointed a ‘Board of Directors’, four or five people who I trusted to provide ‘corporate governance’ and review the major decisions of the company. “I assume at the moment, you’re pretty much running things by yourself, with input from Lisa, Michelle, Mary Beth?” he...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 46 Sabbatical

Tactics on this year’s Coffs race were quite different; the wind was a steady twelve knots from the southeast. Therefore, it was a spinnaker run all the way to Coffs; the perfect test for the new hounds asymmetrical number one. The larger boats made the best of the ideal conditions, we were twentieth across the line, several hours ahead of the next Young 88. We sailed reasonably well in the three short courses, but our overall result for the regatta was a tenth on scratch, fifth on handicap....

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 42 Changes Changes Changes

“Hey, Will, have you got a few minutes to talk? We’ve got a proposal we’d like to talk with you about,” Paul Christie said to me, when we had finished our first sound check for the New Year’s Eve concert in Victoria Park. Paul had established The Party Boys back around 1983 along with Kevin Boritch, and since then it had served as a place for anyone between groups to join and play with. Even some big international names – Joe Walsh, Eric Burden – had played with them. “We hear you guys are...

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The Three Signs Book 4 LisaChapter 11 Summer Activities

I slept quite late in the morning after the engagement party, and even when I woke up, I felt exhausted and disoriented. I asked Lisa if I had drunk too much the night before; maybe the alcohol had interacted with my heart medicine; but she said I had only had a glass of champagne, one nip of bourbon, and stuck to soft drinks other than that. But it wasn’t just that I was feeling tired; I had dreamed some pretty wild and vivid dreams overnight; dreams involving Jillian, and that she had...

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