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Chat Guest: Radioactive Loner On Saturday October 9, 1999 5PM PST Moderated by Bashful Edited by Anne-Mal His stories have appeared on Fictionmania, the Transformation Stories Archive and Sapphire's Spells 'R' Us Annex. All of his stories can be found at his website. You can e-mail RL at: [email protected] So Bash started the log, warming up the crowd, he then left and... (cNf) RL there is you, the moderator and Carrie! The rest of us are just spectators! (Or groupies!) :) (CarrieGore) Hey, I'm a spectator. Believe me. I'm no 'insider' unless you count my belly button. I'm an 'inny' in that respect! (sue) And now the moderator is gone... (RLoner) This is not good. :) (Andy) Ain't nobody here but us lurkers! + Moderator_Bashful has arrived. (Anne-Mal) Now he is official! (sue) All Hail Moderator_Bash!! (Andrew) Hail! (RLoner) Anne-Mal, I'm logging this to a text file, since I'm telnetting it, so that might facilitate the whole log thing. :) Editor's Note- No one speeds up slow as molasses Mal! (Anne-Mal) Okay, but Bash is the moderator tonight! (cNf) RL, you may be tempted to cut out all the gratuitous sex! :) (Andy) There's NO such thing as 'gratuitous' sex! (HeatherSinclair) The way I give sex, there sure is! (cNf) Andy, you are a pervert after of our own hearts! :) (Andy) *Grin* (RLoner) Hey, where are my 150-strong, crowds-at-the-door, Jack-Chalker-type crowds?!? :) (Anne-Mal) Watching Yankee's vs. Texas, RL! (RLoner) I've just finished watching all the Alien movies in order. I was about an hour into Alien 4 when I stopped for this. Whew, what a mindwarp. (Andy) I guess that's TG related, men giving birth and everything! (RLoner) Well, not really. I'm just making small talk. :) (Andrew) Giving birth to what??? (RLoner) Aliens! Although I do think someone once wrote a Human to Alien TF story on TSA-TALK once, but that's not TG. Hey, Otrstf. Thanks for coming. :) (Otrstf) I've only got about fifteen minutes, but hi! (RLoner) Bash, let me know when we're starting it 'officially', 'kay? :) (*Bashful) In about 5 more minutes. (HeatherSinclair) *Tick* *Tick* *Tick* (*Bashful) You've seen me screw up at chats when I just had my own questions to worry about! (HeatherSinclair) We all have faith in you Bash! *Hee hee* (*Bashful) Yeah, but faith to do what? (HeatherSinclair) That's why I laughed after! (RLoner) *Chuckle* (Andrew) *Giggle* (Andy) "Faith manages." (Anne-Mal) Who do you trust? And who do you serve? (*Bashful) If you say Eric, Anne you get booted! (RLoner) Be back in two seconds! (HeatherSinclair) Ok, times up! (*Bashful) Oh great, we've scared him off. (HeatherSinclair) Sorry, it's all the G rated stories, he couldn't take it! (Andy) Steven King once said the scariest thing he's ever done was to meet his fans. *Grin* (HeatherSinclair) In King's case I would be scarred too! (Otrstf) I'd be much more worried about meeting my characters! (*Bashful) Was the driver of the van that hit him a fan? (Anne-Mal) Or a critic? (*Bashful) LOL (Otrstf) Did RL say what his topic was tonight? (*Bashful) The topic is RL! (Anne-Mal) Real Life, oh my! (*Bashful) More precisely, it may be, but is not limited to TG fiction. (HeatherSinclair) Ok, I've got the squeeze cheese and my wheat thins, let the festivities begin! (Anne-Mal) Gosh, you really are kinky Heather! (HeatherSinclair) LOL (RLoner) I'm back, sorry, guys. :) (*Bashful) Okay it's time to start. Allow me to introduce Radioactive Loner to our chat room. He is a true Renaissance man among transformation writers. His stories run the gamut of TG to animal transformations, physique changes and more. His own webpage holds all of his current works and he is a contributor to a number of other sites. I will now turn the room over to RL for an opening statement if he has one. (RLoner) I used to think transformation was a relatively new acquisition to my life (in my teenage years, which are now about five or so years passed), but as I've thought back, I've realized it's always been a part of my life in one way or another. I tend to be intrigued by tons of different transformations, including animal (which I began in), and from there I branched out into transgender fiction. Lately, I've been exploring other fields few people write about: physique transformations, transracial, transorientation transformations, and mental transformations (e.g. Joker's "Virus" universe), to name a few. It's amazing how many realms are left untouched. That'd be my little speech. I'll put the Oscar on my mantle. :) (Andrew) Where did you get your name? Do you live near Three Mile Island? (RLoner) I've always had a bit of a problem reaching out to people in real life. This has occasionally made me feel a bit like my handle. Basically, at the time I chose my handle, I was feeling a bit like a 'Radioactive Loner'. In retrospect, it's a bit self-pitying, but nevertheless, it's my on-line identity for now. :) (Andrew) My eyes are being propped open by matchsticks. Sorry. gotta go! (Otrstf) Do you imagine the character or the situation first, when you write? (RLoner) Usually the situation appears first. However, the exception to that would be the story line I have going in the Blind Pig universe with my gendermorph character, Tara Bard. (Anne-Mal) One of the universes you write in is the Blind Pig, could you explain what it is? (RLoner) "Tails From the Blind Pig" is a universe created by Mark Van Scriver, a former list member on TSA-TALK. It's set about thirty or so years in our future, when a Mars space probe has brought a transformative virus back to Earth. As a result, a portion of mankind's population has been afflicted with a disease called SCABS, which essentially causes a transformation in the person. The most popular transformation on TSA-TALK seemed to be a transformation into an animal. The gendermorph (male-to-female, or vice versa) outlook had only been taken by one or two people. I wanted to add mine to the list. It's a bit like Spider Robinson's "Callahan Crosstime Saloon" series, mixed in with some of Humphrey Bogart's grittiness. It's a wonderful universe to write in, and I hope TG-Fiction list members might discover it and write in it someday. (Otrstf) Goodnight all. I'm turning into a pumpkin. (HeatherSinclair) Who are your heroes? And why? (RLoner) I don't know. If we're speaking solely in the field of writing and of transformation, I don't have a in-print author I idolize, although I hold strong respect for some of the Greats, of course. On-line, I am always pleased whenever I see new work by several authors, including the aforementioned Mr. Van Scriver, a few other folks on the TSA-TALK list, Bill Hart, Morpheus, and quite a few others. If we're speaking of real life heroes, that's a whole other list. (HeatherSinclair) By Greats, do you mean Bash? (RLoner) Wow, people are abandoning ship left and right? Am I too wordy? :) Editor's Note- No just Heather's comment! :) (*Bashful) Tara is very realistic, she hasn't succumbed to the TG fiction device of having sex 12 hours after her TF, will she ever have sex with a man or a woman? (RLoner) In "Trying to Make Her Way Home," I indulge in the oddity of having me, the author, meet Tara. In a way, she's an extension of my own problems with *my* body image. She may have sex in a long story I've been about halfway through for months (I *HATE* writer's block!), but when I come to better terms with my own body image, I imagine I'll then be able to bring that to Tara's character. (Anne-Mal) Here is an original question! Maggie the Witch has appeared before you and will grant one and only one wish to you? What do you wish? Editor's Note- Eat your heart out Bash! (RLoner) *Grin* I suppose I would enjoy having an inherent power to alter reality around me as I see fit. I'd have to do some thinking before I said that, though, because you know the saying, absolute power corrupts absolutely! (Anne-Mal) Do you think that people on Fictionmania and the TSA can find common ground? Should we try to interact with stories? (RLoner) That is a great idea, Anne-Mal. I would venture, however, that as TG- Fiction has grown, I've seen the amount of transgender fiction on TSA-TALK dwindle drastically to the point where it seems that TSA-TALK's now almost just an animal transformation mailing list. That migration saddens me, as do a lot of the changes that came as TSA-TALK grew. I hope that perhaps the lists can interact more in the future. I think there's something to be gained in opening your mind. I used to only be interested in animal transformations, but one day I read "Sheena" and totally became captivated by TG. You never know what expanding your horizons will do. (Anne-Mal) I do know that the TSA is more prolific! (RLoner) It is indeed more prolific, although the writing on the TG-Fiction list often seems more polished. Nothing meant against TSA-TALK's writing *quality*, but half the writers on there are either younger or simply newer, and you can tell by the fact that about 75% of them have not seen a spell checker. (HeatherSinclair) Do you use an outline or do you make it up as you go? (RLoner) This may sound a bit phony, but I actually sort of have to be visited by inspiration. When I do, it's whole and entire, and I usually finish the story in one big writing jag. I don't like writing and posting as I go, because this way I have the freedom to change things earlier in the plot if needed. It has its downfalls though, I have several story fragments on my hard drive that have sat there, unfinished. (sue) What do you think the future of "interactive" fiction on the Internet? Here on Fictionmania, an author gets the story posted, the reader can comment, and the author respond. That is somewhat different than the "traditional" publishing model. This in turn can set up a "feedback" loop so to speak, for incorporation by the author in future stories, etc. (RLoner) I think it's good, in that it's provided a self-publishing outlet for thousands of people to write, and *improve* their writing. Many have found an audience for their stories that they would never have, and that applies to fanfic and not just transformation stories. On the other hand, it can also perhaps make an author more prone towards listening to outside voices, rather than his or her own inner voice. So, like any medium, there are pros and cons. I happen to think it has more pros than cons, but that's just me. I can understand why authors brought up in the more traditional publishing model rarely venture out onto the 'Net. (sue) Great answer, thanks! (RLoner) :) (Anne-Mal) I know that Thomas of the TSA, is picky on what goes on the TSA proper from the list. While Mindy posts everything. Which do you think is better? (RLoner) With all due respect to Thomas (and I do indeed hold a lot of respect for him), I like Mindy's manner much better, because as a result, there's a much greater database to work from. It is indeed, though, a lot more work, and I can understand why that method's not for everyone. Still, there's a formatting problem that removes all blank lines from posts in TSA-TALK's mailing list archive, which often makes it a formatting nightmare to retrieve posts from there. So, the short answer: Mindy. :) (Anne-Mal) But do you think that Thomas sets a greater standard to strive for? (RLoner) That's a good question. I think, basically, that we are comparing sites meant to be two different things. Fictionmania is *meant* to encompass everything and let the reader choose as to their tastes. The TSA is meant to be the individual expression of what Thomas believes is good. He has good taste, and thus it's a good site, but it's not meant to be what Mindy's is. (*Bashful) Your stories say you wrote them on such and such a date. Do you mean that you sat down and wrote it all on one day or is that the completion date? (RLoner) I usually write stories in one day, and thus those dates express the day I wrote them. On the rare occasions where a story's taken longer to write, those dates reflect the day I posted them in their final form to a list. (Mindy) You knew this was gonna be asked. :) (RLoner) *Readies himself* (Mindy) As an author, is there two groups here, authors vs. readers? (RLoner) Well, I wouldn't say the groups are against each other, as implied by a "versus", but there are definitely those who write frequently, those who write fairly often, and those who simply lurk. (Mindy) Is there an inside or outside as per the current debate and where do you think you fit in? (RLoner) I'm sorry, I don't understand. An inside or outside? (Anne-Mal) Mindy wants to know if you consider yourself an Insider or Outsider on Fictionmania. Do you feel part of Fictionmania? (RLoner) Um, I'm not quite certain. I would say I have more established friends among the folks at TSA-TALK simply because I was first there on 11/96, and I've only been on TG Fiction for about a year or so. But both lists seem to have awfully welcoming communities, and I've never felt an outsider or unwelcome. (*Bashful) It's been an hour, already, how about we make this an open chat! Remember, RL is the center of the universe tonight! (Anne-Mal) Since you have an interest in non-TG transformations, do you feel intimidated in using that in a story posting on Fictionmania? (RLoner) Not really. My SRU story, "Ally McBeal: Fantasy Life", had a whole chockfull, of which TG was only in one scene, but a lot of TG Fiction people e- mailed me compliments. All part of expanding your horizons, you never know what's going to catch your eye. (*Bashful) Everyone say "something nice" to Mindy so we don't get thrown off by the chat server. YO! Minnndddyyy (sue) Hi Mindy! (RLoner) Hi, Mindy. :0 (Anne-Mal) It's not too late is it Mom? Can I stay up longer?? (*Bashful) Me too, me too! (Mindy) All I want to know is what the scores where and if Bash is loosing the bet! :) (*Bashful) Is that on topic and who is topsy? The Yanks 3 to 0, damn it! Editor's Note- Bash and I had a little story bet on the Baseball playoffs, we both lost! (*Bashful) RL, does anyone else in your personal life know of your interest in writing TG/TF fiction? (RLoner) Yes. I was worried that if I ever passed on, my parents might misinterpret some of this stuff in an entirely wrong way, seeing animal transformations as bestiality, age regression as pedophilia, etc. So I explained everything to them and was surprisingly pleased by the relatively 'so what' reaction I received. :) (*Bashful) That's refreshing I must admit. (RLoner) I've read horror stories of how less open-minded parents and family reacted to such news, and I feel blessed. They are all I plan to tell, however. :) (Mindy) WOW! I assume you were shocked by their reaction, does it make you look at your family differently, as more caring or anything? (RLoner) I've always known they were quite caring, and we've gone through a lot. But knowing that they accept (even if they don't really want to *know* about) this part of me lifted a burden off my shoulders I had been carrying for years. I once abstained from transformative fiction for a period of six to eight months because of that fear, throwing away everything that was associated with my TF interests. And I soon realized thereafter that it was a part of me. (sue) What work or story was the hardest for you to write, RL? (RLoner) Sue, I'd say it was the unfinished ones! :) Seriously, Tara's pretty connected to who I am, so it's always been the more soul-searching of the stories I've written, and thus harder. (*Bashful) Do you write any other type fiction? (RLoner) You mean non-TF stories? Oh, yeah. My 'real name' Website has editorials, reports, reviews, and a lot of other stuff on it. But I keep me and RL separate. :) When you consider 'RL' can also stand for 'real life', that last sentence is a bit funny. :) (Anne-Mal) What motivated you to get involved and post stories? (RLoner) Well, I actually got my very first transformative story put on the TSA in it's infancy, "My Wife As a Dog" and it was credited to Anonymous. It was actually written by me the evening after I saw an episode of the same name on "Friday the 13th: the Series" back in 1992. (Actually, that wasn't my first, now that I think about it.) I posted, "Tara's Story", shortly after joining TSA-TALK, so perhaps it was Mark's universe that caught my eye. (Anne-Mal) Sure, but it is a big jump to go from reading to writing. Do you think you know why? (RLoner) Oh, sure, that's an easy question, after all. Writing is *work*. It's creating, it's giving birth, it's funneling a tiny kernel in your head into a full-fledged written expression, especially if you're picky and you want it fleshed out and shaded just right. Reading is just enjoying the fruits of other's labors in that area. :) (*Bashful) Do you want to publish or just have fun? (RLoner) Oh, with transformative fiction, just have fun. With real life stuff, I'd love to someday get a job writing theatrical or film reviews. (Mindy) I never wrote a story before, but I have an idea. I turn to you for advice on how to get started and what pitfalls to avoid, you say... (RLoner) Set yourself up with whatever environment makes you most physically and emotionally comfortable, and then simply place your hands on the keyboard, relax, and then just try to let it flow. But I would also advise that you proofread it and have it reread by friends, not just post it right to the lists. It's your baby, and you want to prepare it before sending it out for the first time. (anormandy) Have you ever written any seriously controversial pieces, or do you tend to stay low key? (RLoner) I've not purposeful set out to be controversial, but if an idea came to me that would be controversial, I would hope I would have the courage and the commitment to the idea that I wouldn't worry about the waves it would make. But I'm more at the mercy of ideas coming to me and inspiring me, and as of yet, nothing extremely controversial has. (*Bashful) Are there writers you turn to for guidance and or advice? (RLoner) I am good friends with Brian Erik Coe and Wanderer on the TSA-TALK list, and often ask them for advice and beta-reads on stories. Wanderer and Jack deMule actually wrote offshoots off chapter four of 'Tara's Story' involving how their characters lived through the events of the plot. (When Tara tried suicide.) (*Bashful) Do they take perfectly fine stories and rip them apart and make you change every little thing about them? (Not that Jan Dreamer does that to me!) (RLoner) *Chuckle* No, they're both pretty good, they give very intelligent criticism and assistance, but also let me stay true to my own vision and don't impose their own styles on mine. (*Bashful) In real life, what would your dream come true be? (RLoner) I'm afraid it doesn't have much to do in transformation, and the answer is the accomplishment of several personal goals. I'm a heavy man, and I want to be in shape. I'm a lonely man, and I hope to expand both my circle of friends and my romantic life. I hope to pay off my credit cards, by finding a job that I don't mind getting up for in the morning. In short, find happiness. Not eternal and constant, but I want to fight for and finally grasp fruition on a lot of these. (*Bashful) Hmmm, Anne is lonely I think, maybe you and her... (Anne-Mal) I already have Julie, Bash! Oops! That was supposed to be kept quiet! (RLoner) :-) (Anne-Mal) (Quit kicking me Julie!) (*Bashful) LOL (Anne-Mal) Do you get much feedback on your stories and do you wish to get more? (RLoner) I tend to get about 5-10 responses per story, and I appreciate those responses. I wouldn't mind getting more, but I'm also not uncomfortable with the number who respond. (Anne-Mal) Just curious, do you get more response here or the TSA? (RLoner) To be honest, I've not kept track! :) (Mindy) You people that are not asking questions of Radioactive Loner, don't be bashful like tonight's moderator. Just poop you question in here if you have one. But it is also fine just to watch! Oops! That should be pop! Editor's Note- Sure Mindy! (*Bashful) The chat is open ask away but remember, the center of the universe is RLoner. (RLoner) If that was only so, then heavenly bodies would revolve around me. :) (Ellie) Wouldn't be better if the heavenly bodies stopped revolving around you and came over to be with you? (RLoner) YES! DEFINITELY! :-) (Mindy) RL do you think it would help to have a chat on feedback, on how to write a critical feedback without it sounding like a flame? (RLoner) Yes, I think it would, on BOTH lists I participate in. Both lists have a large influx of people who are new to writing/reading stories, and it's an acquired art. In my real life, I was fortunate enough to have had some schooling in how to criticize someone's stories, but not everyone knows how to be constructive. I think that's a problem. As for me, I *always* appreciate constructive criticism. (Anne-Mal) I am not talking about you, but Thomas in his chat said that when a person asks for 'constructive criticism', they are really asking to be treated with kid gloves. He said this mostly happens on the TSA, what do you think? (RLoner) I understand his comment. I have no problems with criticism being harsh. But when people are harsh and attack you, e.g. "You can't write worth shit," well, yes, that kinda criticism is unwelcome. If it's "You've really got a problem with.. ", I don't mind that. As long as they have something I can take value from, as opposed to a simple insult or comment *designed* to inflame. The TSA-TALK debate arose from a website called "The Slaughterhouse" which offers harshly worded criticism, but criticism that gives the author something to work with, nevertheless. I would have no problem with Keith Morrison, the webmaster, reviewing one of my works, even if he treated it harshly, simply because I know I'd gain something of value from his criticism. (*Bashful) That seems to be the common theme here as well. Everyone wants to hear how great a writer they are. but few can stand the fact that they need to learn grammar, punctuation and spelling. (D.S.) Do you feel there is a specific area of ideas the stories here need to address? If so, what? (RLoner) I wouldn't mind seeing people expanding outside what they believe their interests are. If a TG writer tries his hand at a AR or BE story, they may find they like writing in that area. A 'furry' writer may find he likes writing TG as well. And so on. What I'm saying is that someone who thinks their interests lie simply in TG might want, just for the hell of it, to try their hand at a solely-animal- transform story. Just to see if they can write it. Perhaps it couldn't go on the TG-Fiction list, but experimentation can only make you grow as a writer and a person. (*Bashful) Any story dealing with TG is welcome here, no other parameter exists. That is a very broad, (no pun intended) subject. (Anne-Mal) The problem is, what is TG? (*Bashful) Anything that deals with the blurring of the sexes. (Ellie) It didn't start off very broad, but that changed during the course of the story. ;=) (*Bashful) LOL! Ellie (Ellie) How do you feel about somebody asking why you did something during a story, rather than pointing out a flaw? (RLoner) I don't mind explaining things, if I'm able to. Sometimes it's just the way it came out. One of my favorite singers, Tori Amos, once referred to herself as a translator, she said the songs were already out there, she just translated them into this form. Sometimes that's the way it feels with these stories. (*Bashful) Have you ever tried writing a story with anyone else? (RLoner) Nope. We had a group story going, here on the TG-Fiction list back in May, but that torpedoed itself after the fifth installment. (D.S.) Would you be interested in doing commentary on your own stories and those written by others? (RLoner) On my own stories? Well, that's sort of this interview, actually. ;) And as for others, I like doing so in the informal context of commenting on the list, after one is posted. (D.S.) More like a kind of an expanded review, like Cliff's Notes. (RLoner) Hmm. On my own stories, I don't think I could be objective, and to do something akin to a director's audio track on a film with a story just doesn't feel right to me. As for others, unless I'm specifically asked for it, I tend to not give extensive reviews. They do not seem to be appreciated for unasked, most of the time. *Drops a pebble and hears the 'plink' echo in the so-quiet room* (D.S.) What would you say is your greatest strength as a writer? Your greatest weakness? (RLoner) My greatest strength? It's hard to answer that without sounding vain, but I'd like to think I have some small measure of talent and imagination, and I like that. My weakness is my reliance upon inspiration. I'd love to be able to *force* an idea to come to me, to *force* some of these half-finished stories on my hard drive out. I have the Tara sequel half-finished since March, and I love what I wrote so far. But I've not had an idea in nearly 6 months on how to finish it! :) (*Bashful) Have you tried sending it to another writer for advice and suggestions? (I am NOT volunteering for this though, too many pies in the oven now.) (elrodw) I was just typing that question! (Drat!) (RLoner) Yes, my beta-read pals Wanderer and Brian. But I might bug 'em again. ;) (*Bashful) elrod sent me a story to look at what 3 years ago? I need to look at tit. (RLoner) *Smile* So do I, Bashful. So do I. :) (Anne-Mal) Oh my Bash, did you and Julie switch bodies? (*Bashful) It, it, it! (Anne-Mal) Gosh Bash, now you are feeling your self up! (Ellie) He wasn't serious about having breasts; he was just feeling a round. ;=) (elrodw) How time flies when you're having fun :) More like 3 or 4 weeks.... (*Bashful) Okay, I'm leaving now, someone get the lights! (RLoner) I think I'll take that as my exit cue as well, guys. It's been fun. :) (*Bashful) That was a joke RL, do not leave because of me. Do you have a closing statement? (elrodw) In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn, "That's a joke, son. Get it? A joke!" (RLoner) Oh. Okay, I'm still here. No closing statement, really. :) (Anne-Mal) Gee, RL you're an author! Think of this as the academy awards! (*Bashful) Common now's your chance! (RLoner) I'm afraid I'm one of those people who step up to the podium completely not expecting their award, simply flustered, thank the Academy, God, and their families. Then step off before the orchestra can drown them out. :) (*Bashful) Oh, like the guy from Italy last year who thought he didn't have a chance and couldn't shut up? (RLoner) "I wish to kiss all your bottoms and make love like Jup-i-ter in the firmament!" (*Bashful) Yes, one of the best moments at the Oscars. (Ellie) They needed a running joke at the Awards, and Jack Palance wasn't available. (Just_Dan) Roberto Benini (*Bashful) It's right up there with Louise Fletchers acceptance speech for "One Flew Over the Cookoos Nest"! (RLoner) What did she say? (*Bashful) She signed it to her deaf parents and there wasn't a dry eye in the place. (RLoner) *Sniffle* That *is* sweet. (*Bashful) It's on a tape of the best moments at the Oscars. Okay, now we return you to our regularly scheduled chat. RL, I hope you get Tara's next chapter out soon. Here's an idea, post one part of what you've written and see what you hear back. (Ellie) Post it and ask for ideas. (RLoner) It's a thought. But I don't like the possibility that offers, of the story remaining publicly posted, but unable to be finished. Worth considering, though, given the delay. (*Bashful) Anyone with a question? Have you tried writing a different story, that will sometimes break a block? (RLoner) Yup. "SRU: Spare Change" came out. No go. (Anne-Mal) If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be? (*Bashful) Wait, we have the world's leading authority on writers block here. (Just_Dan) LOL! Thank you Barbara Walters! (RLoner) Redwood. (*Bashful) Anne has the Guinness book record for writers block, how else do you explain Archie? (Anne-Mal) No, being a blockheaded writer! (*Bashful) Now Anne, don't berate yourself, let us do it! (Anne-Mal) Hey, it takes a professional to berate yourself! (Just_Dan) Plead the fifth! The Fifth! (*Bashful) She hasn't finished the 3rd yet!!! (Just_Dan) LOL! Do you have to be double jointed? (*Bashful) Is it anything like frinking alone? Editor's note- See Carrie's chat. Last chance for a question anyone? Or for a closing statement, RL? (RLoner) Just my thanks to everyone for the great questions, and for showing up. :) (Just_Dan) Would have like to have been here sooner, darn real life! (Mindy) Well, thanks for the stories and sharing you insights with us. (sue) Thank YOU for taking the time to participate this evening, RL! (RLoner) *Waves g'bye to everyone* (D.S.) See ya, thanks for your time! (*Bashful) RL, thanks to you, good luck with your blockage problems! (RLoner) *Chuckles* End of Chat.